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And let’s not forget also Amazon Sidewalk Scary times.
by beermonster 5y ago
And let’s not forget also Amazon Sidewalk
Scary times.
- swiley 5y agoOnly if you tolerate devices with non-free software.
- ethbr0 5y agoLike any TV?
- swiley 5y agoYeah or anything else with non-free firmware.
- doggodaddo78 5y agoSo, everything practical.
- wutXthree 5y agoIf you bought it, you own it. Does your DVD player hardware come with a license agreement?
- kadoban 5y agoI can't tell if I'm missing something here because for some reason I think you're expecting the answer to be "no"? But, yes DVD players come with license agreements, EULAs.
- wutXthree 5y agoHunh? So you are saying that if I buy the DVD player at https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-dvd-player-with-hd-upconversion-black/4790739.p?skuId=4790739 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-dvd-player-with-hd-upconve... that I'm agreeing to an "EULA" that doesn't seem to exist on the site and that is apparently not mentioned at all before purchase? Please tell me you're joking.
- kadoban 5y agoDo you live in the USA? Very likely yes that DVD player will come with a EULA (End User License Agreement) in/on the box when it arrives. Other places I'm not sure, but I'd guess you'll get one anyway. Will they hold up in court? Who knows. But look and you're likely to find one they'll at least pretend applies to you. (And to be clear, yes I agree that this is _ridiculous_)
- kuschku 5y agoIf you're in the EU, that DVD player won't have a EULA attached. If you're in the US, it will.
- swiley 5y agoThe last one I bought came with a printout of the GPL2.
- jhardy54 5y agoYes.
- doggodaddo78 5y agoYou tell me because I don't own a DVD player. :)
- neolog 5y agoCommercial displays are a solution here, though they're expensive.
- danielheath 5y agoExpensive compared to the advertising-subsidised consumer version, maybe.
- ethbr0 5y agoExpensive compared to retail-volume models. This is also a fight against manufacturing economies of scale.
- slimsag 5y agoSamsung sells "Commercial signage displays" to people, $1k for a 65" display. e.g. the Samsung QB65R on Amazon So yeah it's like $100-200 more expensive, but hardly seems.. unapproachable?
- bonestamp2 5y agoDon't put your wifi credentials into your TV, then you've effectively got a giant monitor/commercial display. If you're feeling especially crafty, open the back of your TV and disconnect the wifi/bluetooth board. It's a discrete board in all of my TVs of different brands. I assume they build them this way so they can use the same network board design/production for years and just upgrade the main logic board in newer models.
- JetAlone 5y agoCan't say I'm planning to buy a TV anytime soon but that's good advice, thank you.
- SilverRed 5y ago>Don't put your wifi credentials into your TV Amazon has a solution to this. If your tv is within wifi range of an amazon device, your TV will be able to connect to a network. It might even be your neighbors device.
- totetsu 5y agoNever needed a TV once since I was old enough for P2P to be invented
- Lammy 5y agoOr your neighbors do.
- FridayoLeary 5y agoIs that some sort of hatch in the pavement? You order something on Prime, and moments later, a slab embossed with Amazons' logo opens, a deliveryperson jumps out and deposits the package into your outstretched arm.
- doggodaddo78 5y agoAlmost. It's anyone with Amazon IoTs sharing wifi with each other.
- tialaramex 5y agoIt's ambient network access, a desirable behaviour which I anticipate our descendants (or their descendants) will take for granted. Imagine gradually choking as you wait for a friend to open their front door - oops, you forgot their air doesn't know you're allowed to use Oxygen, hope they get here in time to explicitly authorise you to breathe... Because of the Network Effect the grand total number of Networks you care about will always be... one. So, it doesn't make sense to have a dozen fiercely independent WiFi networks in the same physical volume all of which are, in fact, just offering access to the same network (the Internet) but with separate credentials needed for each. There have been very slow steps on the obvious way forward here. If you've been a student somewhere civilized in the last couple of decades you might have seen EduRoam. Under EduROAM your credentials from say, the University of Florida, or Stanford work at MIT and NYU, but also in Oxford, and in Tokyo. No more need to maintain separate "guest" networks so that the visiting lecturer's laptop works. But most of us, most of the time, are using dozens of little pointless fiefdoms.
- nine_k 5y agoYou will still have to identity particular users, because you want to sell access, because you want to identity those who break the rules and attack other users. But most importantly, users want to separate their networks from one another. OTOH the technology can move from private radios to the model of cellular networks, where you don't care which tower you connect to, and the security / authorization lives at a different level.
- doggodaddo78 5y agoYup. Even radiuz was probably better. https://wifinetnews.com/archives/2004/06/radiuz_combines_wpa-enterprise_with_free_access.html https://wifinetnews.com/archives/2004/06/radiuz_combines_wpa...