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In less than one minute, this post went from #4 to #12, suggesting anomalous behavior. https://upvotetracker.com/post/hn/27120460 https://upvotetracker.com/post

In less than one minute, this post went from #4 to #12, suggesting anomalous behavior. https://upvotetracker.com/post/hn/27120460 https://upvotetracker.com/post/hn/27120460

unyttigfjelltol 5y ago
HNers may well have flagged it after clicking through to the symbols and picturgrams.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  I was about a second from flagging it when I saw it - I didn't remember what's on wikidot.com, and that domain + Unicode dots smelled like something that doesn't belong. But then I realized it's an SCP, so it got my upvote instead :). I consider many of the SCPs as intellectual curiosity equivalent of catnip; they take your mind to places it never expected to find itself in. But it takes reading some to realize that, and this one definitely requires context.
dang 5y ago
That's not "anomalous behavior", that's routine: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. If you want anomalous behavior: we not only put your post in the second-chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308), we unbanned wikidot.com and unkilled your submission so that it could go through in the first place.
- crazypython 5y ago
  I'm joking. It's userflags or mods. Thanks for putting it in the second-chance pool. The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs[1] gets flagged. Or even things the flagger doesn't understand: see this post being killed in the first place. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112353 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26838634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26838634
  - dang 5y ago
    The flags were correct. The first link was unsubstantive, and you can tell from the comments why people were flagging it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503. The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). It's easy to see why users would consider yet another such post off-topic. > The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs gets flagged. You don't have to resort to "beliefs" to explain those cases. You may be falling prey to the bias where the bad (what you don't like) stands out more than the good (what you like), leading to false feelings of generality. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20false%20feelings%20of%20generality&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
    - crazypython 5y ago
      > The first link was unsubstantive The most well-known VPS provider (DO) is not profitable and a competitor (Linode) with the same price and a very similar product is profitable. That in itself is interesting to me, particularly how DO managed to pull off that marketing. > The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. Sorry, I didn't see that it was already duplicated. If it was, I would have avoided submitting.
    - crazypython 5y ago
      > By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). Almost all the threads you linked to were misinformation or anti-RMS posts with no substance. Stallmansupport.org is a website made by a group of women, with articles only from women, debunking the sexism claims. It is rich in primary sources. Yet it gets flagged. Non-substantiative news like "Red Hat supports the removal of RMS" doesn't get flagged, but an in-depth website by a group of women does. "Red Hat Pulls Free Software Foundation Funding over Richard Stallman's Return" is a dupe. Also, less than 3% of FSF funding is corporate, so it's not really relevant. There were far more "calls for RMS to be removed" that weren't flagged than substantiative in-depth articles that looked at the issue. I suggest a simple remedy: Don't count flags from people who didn't click to open the article. To implement this, require a min delay between the time the link list is loaded, and the time they flagged.

In less than one minute, this post went from #4 to #12, suggesting anomalous behavior. https://upvotetracker.com/post/hn/27120460 https://upvotetracker.com/post/hn/27120460

unyttigfjelltol 5y ago

HNers may well have flagged it after clicking through to the symbols and picturgrams.

TeMPOraL 5y ago
I was about a second from flagging it when I saw it - I didn't remember what's on wikidot.com, and that domain + Unicode dots smelled like something that doesn't belong. But then I realized it's an SCP, so it got my upvote instead :). I consider many of the SCPs as intellectual curiosity equivalent of catnip; they take your mind to places it never expected to find itself in. But it takes reading some to realize that, and this one definitely requires context.

dang 5y ago

That's not "anomalous behavior", that's routine: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. If you want anomalous behavior: we not only put your post in the second-chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308), we unbanned wikidot.com and unkilled your submission so that it could go through in the first place.

crazypython 5y ago
I'm joking. It's userflags or mods. Thanks for putting it in the second-chance pool. The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs[1] gets flagged. Or even things the flagger doesn't understand: see this post being killed in the first place. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112353 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26838634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26838634
- dang 5y ago
  The flags were correct. The first link was unsubstantive, and you can tell from the comments why people were flagging it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27112503. The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). It's easy to see why users would consider yet another such post off-topic. > The issue is anything that seems to disagree with Hacker News' mainstream[0] beliefs gets flagged. You don't have to resort to "beliefs" to explain those cases. You may be falling prey to the bias where the bad (what you don't like) stands out more than the good (what you like), leading to false feelings of generality. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20false%20feelings%20of%20generality&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - crazypython 5y ago
    > The first link was unsubstantive The most well-known VPS provider (DO) is not profitable and a competitor (Linode) with the same price and a very similar product is profitable. That in itself is interesting to me, particularly how DO managed to pull off that marketing. > The second was flamebait on the biggest flamewar topic in months. Sorry, I didn't see that it was already duplicated. If it was, I would have avoided submitting.
  - crazypython 5y ago
    > By the time it was posted HN had had a massive number of threads about it (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26713650). Almost all the threads you linked to were misinformation or anti-RMS posts with no substance. Stallmansupport.org is a website made by a group of women, with articles only from women, debunking the sexism claims. It is rich in primary sources. Yet it gets flagged. Non-substantiative news like "Red Hat supports the removal of RMS" doesn't get flagged, but an in-depth website by a group of women does. "Red Hat Pulls Free Software Foundation Funding over Richard Stallman's Return" is a dupe. Also, less than 3% of FSF funding is corporate, so it's not really relevant. There were far more "calls for RMS to be removed" that weren't flagged than substantiative in-depth articles that looked at the issue. I suggest a simple remedy: Don't count flags from people who didn't click to open the article. To implement this, require a min delay between the time the link list is loaded, and the time they flagged.