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> Why do you hate freedom? I love my freedom to chose the Apple/iPhone ecosystem and how it works. You wanting to force your ideas of freedom onto Apple and it

> Why do you hate freedom? I love my freedom to chose the Apple/iPhone ecosystem and how it works. You wanting to force your ideas of freedom onto Apple and its users is an interesting way to think about freedom, when last I checked no one is compelled to use any of their products. This whole freedom line of reasoning is ridiculous anyway. No one hates freedom. The curated App Store as done today is a certain set of tradeoffs - some good and some bad for the end user. Starting a discussion by assuming the other side hates freedom is not productive.

hparadiz 6y ago
Everyone in the industry is compelled to use Apple. And I fucking hate every moment I have to touch an iOS device because of people like you. Everytime someone gifts me an iOS device I know I'm just chucking it into a drawer cause it's a useless toy that can't run half the things I actually want to run on it. I want the freedom to run what I see fit on my own computers and it's because of people like you who think they know better that I can't. And yea I have to use iOS for work. My industry requires me to know how it works inside and out. People saying it's not a monopoly are just spreading lies. iOS is not a monopoly the day I can safely ignore it and not be penalized for it. From my perspective you're inhibiting my freedom to run what I damn well please on my hardware and yea that's hating freedom. Any real techie would be fighting for more freedom.
- jaywalk 6y ago
  Sounds like you need to find a different line of work.
- samatman 6y ago
  Sorry that Apple compelled you into a remunerative desk job that supports a comfortable lifestyle, that must be hard for you. I think the government (EU best bet) should compel Apple to allow side-loading on iOS devices, for what it's worth. What you're doing here is not the way to get it.
  - hparadiz 6y ago
    I honestly don't really have a desk job and I definitely don't work with iOS daily. It's the 5% edge case. What I do see is our mobile dev constantly jumping through dumb little hoops Apple throws in his way. I'm over here maybe testing a feature or two. He's the one that has to actually fix everything. But that's largely irrelevant. What is relevent is that I have a pile of all iPhones that all require an apple account to do anything. The little voice inside me that values freedom is outraged. Doubly so when I go on HN and have Apple talking points parroted at me by people who should know better.

hparadiz 6y ago

Everyone in the industry is compelled to use Apple. And I fucking hate every moment I have to touch an iOS device because of people like you. Everytime someone gifts me an iOS device I know I'm just chucking it into a drawer cause it's a useless toy that can't run half the things I actually want to run on it. I want the freedom to run what I see fit on my own computers and it's because of people like you who think they know better that I can't. And yea I have to use iOS for work. My industry requires me to know how it works inside and out. People saying it's not a monopoly are just spreading lies. iOS is not a monopoly the day I can safely ignore it and not be penalized for it. From my perspective you're inhibiting my freedom to run what I damn well please on my hardware and yea that's hating freedom. Any real techie would be fighting for more freedom.

jaywalk 6y ago
Sounds like you need to find a different line of work.
samatman 6y ago
Sorry that Apple compelled you into a remunerative desk job that supports a comfortable lifestyle, that must be hard for you. I think the government (EU best bet) should compel Apple to allow side-loading on iOS devices, for what it's worth. What you're doing here is not the way to get it.
- hparadiz 6y ago
  I honestly don't really have a desk job and I definitely don't work with iOS daily. It's the 5% edge case. What I do see is our mobile dev constantly jumping through dumb little hoops Apple throws in his way. I'm over here maybe testing a feature or two. He's the one that has to actually fix everything. But that's largely irrelevant. What is relevent is that I have a pile of all iPhones that all require an apple account to do anything. The little voice inside me that values freedom is outraged. Doubly so when I go on HN and have Apple talking points parroted at me by people who should know better.