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Management blaming individuals by name (in public no less) shows severe incompetence at the top. I don't doubt he hired a slacker, but that's on management for

Management blaming individuals by name (in public no less) shows severe incompetence at the top. I don't doubt he hired a slacker, but that's on management for hiring and retaining that... to the point of demise? Stupid.

miracle2k 5y ago
He is no longer involved.
nend 5y ago
I would have a problem with a manager if they did this "publicly" within the team/company. Airing it out on twitter is even more egregious. "Severe incompetence" is somehow understating it IMO, although i can't think of a better description. If what they said is true: 1) Management hired a developer 2) Paid him for years 3) Gained millions of users 4) Became bankrupt 5) Publicly named the developer as a slacker and the reason the business is failing. More comments from the founder. Nowhere does he take any responsibility for this mess, just blame blame blame. "The salary amount isn't unreasonable or excessive. It's the lack of material output that makes it unjustified." - So, don't pay him for years while bankrupting your project? "I'm being explicit now since vague tweeting allegations isn't productive." - Explicitly tweeting allegations isn't productive either. It just makes you and your project look bad. There's no way I'm donating to you now. "The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project." - And was allowed to do so for a long time. Also, that's only one part of the equation, was this developer also responsible for fundraising? Or other spending? "I raised this in March when I looked into it and noticed that for the first two months of the year he had left only two brief comments and created no comments." - You didn't notice your employees had shipped nothing for two months? Or you were OK with this at the time and are now retroactively blaming them?
andrew_ 5y ago
Seb is a well-known narcissist, suffering from ego created by his own Twitter myth. I cannot name a single peer among the many circles I converse in which respects the person (another matter for the technical ability). Seb has only to look in a mirror to identify the issues with the current state of the Babel project management.
- Touche 5y ago
  Can you imagine taking a job at his startup. You have a bad week, run into a hard problem and start to sweat that your commit log isn't full enough.
  - adamrezich 5y ago
    I have no horse in this race but where are comments like this coming from, in response to this: >I'm just going to be explicit. In 2020, Henry created 12 issues, commented 25 times, and created 29 pull requests. This is across all Babel orgs. 100k+ for a year of that sounds pretty cushy. he didn't say that he did "only" 1 or 2 PRs a week or something. where are these hyperbolic comments in response coming from? what other kind of work could have possibly been done in addition to this meager amount of code work to justify such a salary?
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Management? Fundraising? There's more to running an organization than just coding.
      - thrdbndndn 5y ago
        That makes sense for a normal size organization but they literally only have three employees. And the majority of the fund raised was used for his salary. If anything, it's not fair at all for the other two who did the substantial work and only earn 2k per month. (To be fair they have changed the distribution this year.)
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        The organization is substantially larger than just its paid employees. https://babeljs.io/team https://babeljs.io/team
        thrdbndndn 5y ago

miracle2k 5y ago

He is no longer involved.

nend 5y ago

I would have a problem with a manager if they did this "publicly" within the team/company. Airing it out on twitter is even more egregious. "Severe incompetence" is somehow understating it IMO, although i can't think of a better description. If what they said is true: 1) Management hired a developer 2) Paid him for years 3) Gained millions of users 4) Became bankrupt 5) Publicly named the developer as a slacker and the reason the business is failing. More comments from the founder. Nowhere does he take any responsibility for this mess, just blame blame blame. "The salary amount isn't unreasonable or excessive. It's the lack of material output that makes it unjustified." - So, don't pay him for years while bankrupting your project? "I'm being explicit now since vague tweeting allegations isn't productive." - Explicitly tweeting allegations isn't productive either. It just makes you and your project look bad. There's no way I'm donating to you now. "The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project." - And was allowed to do so for a long time. Also, that's only one part of the equation, was this developer also responsible for fundraising? Or other spending? "I raised this in March when I looked into it and noticed that for the first two months of the year he had left only two brief comments and created no comments." - You didn't notice your employees had shipped nothing for two months? Or you were OK with this at the time and are now retroactively blaming them?

andrew_ 5y ago

Seb is a well-known narcissist, suffering from ego created by his own Twitter myth. I cannot name a single peer among the many circles I converse in which respects the person (another matter for the technical ability). Seb has only to look in a mirror to identify the issues with the current state of the Babel project management.

Touche 5y ago
Can you imagine taking a job at his startup. You have a bad week, run into a hard problem and start to sweat that your commit log isn't full enough.
- adamrezich 5y ago
  I have no horse in this race but where are comments like this coming from, in response to this: >I'm just going to be explicit. In 2020, Henry created 12 issues, commented 25 times, and created 29 pull requests. This is across all Babel orgs. 100k+ for a year of that sounds pretty cushy. he didn't say that he did "only" 1 or 2 PRs a week or something. where are these hyperbolic comments in response coming from? what other kind of work could have possibly been done in addition to this meager amount of code work to justify such a salary?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Management? Fundraising? There's more to running an organization than just coding.
    - thrdbndndn 5y ago
      That makes sense for a normal size organization but they literally only have three employees. And the majority of the fund raised was used for his salary. If anything, it's not fair at all for the other two who did the substantial work and only earn 2k per month. (To be fair they have changed the distribution this year.)
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        The organization is substantially larger than just its paid employees. https://babeljs.io/team https://babeljs.io/team
        thrdbndndn 5y ago