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Doubters are like “you don’t know the long term effects!” But you also don’t know the long term effects of covid lol. At least this has been clinically studied

Doubters are like “you don’t know the long term effects!” But you also don’t know the long term effects of covid lol. At least this has been clinically studied for a year.

abfan1127 5y ago
we have year old results for Covid too.
- acchow 5y ago
  Mayo Clinic has an article about COVID's long term effects https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...
  - abfan1127 5y ago
    do you know if they break these long term affects into age groups or other demographics?
- deleted 5y ago
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- joshjdr 5y ago
  I think that was the point
- randomopining 5y ago
  Yeah exactly my point lol. So the 5-10-15 year impact of both is unknown. Thus it’s a mute point of consideration for a logical person.
  - joshu 5y ago
    moot, not mute
  - abfan1127 5y ago
    Getting the virus and entering the risk pool for long term affects has a probability below 100%. Maybe you never get the virus. Choosing to get the vaccine gives you 100% chance of getting in the risk pool for its side affects. The third category is you already had the virus without long term issues, but getting the vaccine introduces new risks (allergies is the obvious easy one). I don't know the compounded statistics here and I don't claim to know the "right choice" for everyone, including myself. In general, I never get the latest update in software. I never get the first model years in cars. Without a case of urgency, this seems like a good path forward for this too, but YMMV.
    - xwolfi 5y ago
      But why would you expect long side effect of an immunity triggering vaccine?
      - abfan1127 5y ago
        I don't personally have any expectations. I strongly suspect that there are not any long term affects. I am not familiar with mRNA tech in general, nor am I familiar with the various vaccine vectors. I do have a vivid imagination though. None of this is real - just "science fiction". 1) the mRNA triggers latent gene expression which causes some form of cancer. 2) the mRNA causes some new slow protein generation which accumulates in the blood like cholesterol and has long term health affects. is this possible? probably as possible as buying a winning lottery ticket and being struck by lightning at the exact same time!
    - cameldrv 5y ago
      The P.1 variant is extremely contagious, with an unmitigated R somewhere in the range of 6-12. That's close to Measles. Unless a very large percentage of the population gets vaccinated, it's essentially inevitable for the unvaccinated to be infected at some point, as well as a small portion of the vaccinated population. Your choices are either get vaccinated, get COVID (and possibly transmit it), or take extreme precautions indefinitely. Unless you have reason to believe that the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID, and you're not willing to live your life as a shut-in or wear a respirator for the rest of your life, you might as well get vaccinated.
timr 5y ago
Forget long-term effects. One only needs to point out that more kids had "severe" reactions to the vaccine (>2%) than had Covid in the trial (1.6%). This approval was based on a tiny sample (1100 kids) over 2 months. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-emergency-use https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi... (Edit - side-effect data starts on page 25 here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download) There are legitimate reasons to question the rapid approval of this vaccine in children. It's certainly not something worth mocking. And I say that as someone who is fully vaccinated.
- neuronexmachina 5y ago
  > more kids had "severe" reactions to the vaccine (>2%) Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but where are you seeing this in the news release?
  - timr 5y ago
    Sorry, It starts on page 25 here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download
- lthornberry 5y ago
  Again, the severe reactions documented here are not all that bad.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  OK so if you take into account almost any transmission rate we've seen that seems like it easily balances out, even not taking into account potential for mutations and the classification of severe. I have a "severe" reaction to alcohol every time I drink too much.
  - timr 5y ago
    Vaccination of children is not required to reduce the number of deaths from Covid-19 to a number asymptotically approaching zero. Focusing myopically on "transmission rate" misses the broader conversation about risk and benefit. Giving tens/hundreds of thousands of kids an illness on par with the flu to marginally reduce the theoretical risk of illness in an unvaccinated stranger...this is a choice that can be made, but I think it's a tougher decision than you do.
dham 5y ago
Yea we mostly do. Covid behaves like other similar viruses. Every side effect the media has portrayed about this virus like it's the only virus that has these effects exists in other viruses.
- randomopining 5y ago
  So you mostly do, but not completely. We mostly know this vaccine is fine, since it completely leaves the body in a few days anyway… but not completely. Same thing, mute point in consideration.

Doubters are like “you don’t know the long term effects!” But you also don’t know the long term effects of covid lol. At least this has been clinically studied for a year.

abfan1127 5y ago

we have year old results for Covid too.

acchow 5y ago
Mayo Clinic has an article about COVID's long term effects https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...
- abfan1127 5y ago
  do you know if they break these long term affects into age groups or other demographics?
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joshjdr 5y ago
I think that was the point
randomopining 5y ago
Yeah exactly my point lol. So the 5-10-15 year impact of both is unknown. Thus it’s a mute point of consideration for a logical person.
- joshu 5y ago
  moot, not mute
- abfan1127 5y ago
  Getting the virus and entering the risk pool for long term affects has a probability below 100%. Maybe you never get the virus. Choosing to get the vaccine gives you 100% chance of getting in the risk pool for its side affects. The third category is you already had the virus without long term issues, but getting the vaccine introduces new risks (allergies is the obvious easy one). I don't know the compounded statistics here and I don't claim to know the "right choice" for everyone, including myself. In general, I never get the latest update in software. I never get the first model years in cars. Without a case of urgency, this seems like a good path forward for this too, but YMMV.
  - xwolfi 5y ago
    But why would you expect long side effect of an immunity triggering vaccine?
    - abfan1127 5y ago
      I don't personally have any expectations. I strongly suspect that there are not any long term affects. I am not familiar with mRNA tech in general, nor am I familiar with the various vaccine vectors. I do have a vivid imagination though. None of this is real - just "science fiction". 1) the mRNA triggers latent gene expression which causes some form of cancer. 2) the mRNA causes some new slow protein generation which accumulates in the blood like cholesterol and has long term health affects. is this possible? probably as possible as buying a winning lottery ticket and being struck by lightning at the exact same time!
  - cameldrv 5y ago
    The P.1 variant is extremely contagious, with an unmitigated R somewhere in the range of 6-12. That's close to Measles. Unless a very large percentage of the population gets vaccinated, it's essentially inevitable for the unvaccinated to be infected at some point, as well as a small portion of the vaccinated population. Your choices are either get vaccinated, get COVID (and possibly transmit it), or take extreme precautions indefinitely. Unless you have reason to believe that the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID, and you're not willing to live your life as a shut-in or wear a respirator for the rest of your life, you might as well get vaccinated.

timr 5y ago

Forget long-term effects. One only needs to point out that more kids had "severe" reactions to the vaccine (>2%) than had Covid in the trial (1.6%). This approval was based on a tiny sample (1100 kids) over 2 months. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-emergency-use https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi... (Edit - side-effect data starts on page 25 here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download) There are legitimate reasons to question the rapid approval of this vaccine in children. It's certainly not something worth mocking. And I say that as someone who is fully vaccinated.

neuronexmachina 5y ago
> more kids had "severe" reactions to the vaccine (>2%) Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but where are you seeing this in the news release?
- timr 5y ago
  Sorry, It starts on page 25 here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download
lthornberry 5y ago
Again, the severe reactions documented here are not all that bad.
staticassertion 5y ago
OK so if you take into account almost any transmission rate we've seen that seems like it easily balances out, even not taking into account potential for mutations and the classification of severe. I have a "severe" reaction to alcohol every time I drink too much.
- timr 5y ago
  Vaccination of children is not required to reduce the number of deaths from Covid-19 to a number asymptotically approaching zero. Focusing myopically on "transmission rate" misses the broader conversation about risk and benefit. Giving tens/hundreds of thousands of kids an illness on par with the flu to marginally reduce the theoretical risk of illness in an unvaccinated stranger...this is a choice that can be made, but I think it's a tougher decision than you do.

dham 5y ago

Yea we mostly do. Covid behaves like other similar viruses. Every side effect the media has portrayed about this virus like it's the only virus that has these effects exists in other viruses.

randomopining 5y ago
So you mostly do, but not completely. We mostly know this vaccine is fine, since it completely leaves the body in a few days anyway… but not completely. Same thing, mute point in consideration.