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Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)
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- I_Byte 5y agoIf you would like to help out you can seed some at risk torrents which can be found here —> https://phillm.net/libgen-seeds-needed.php https://phillm.net/libgen-seeds-needed.php For more information you can visit u/shrine’s original post here —> https://old.reddit.com/r/seedboxes/comments/e129yi/charitable_seeding_for_nonprofit_scientific/ https://old.reddit.com/r/seedboxes/comments/e129yi/charitabl...
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- sneak 5y agoThese are listed as fiction?
- skrebbel 5y agoThat's not a question?
- sneak 5y agoThis post/thread is about scientific research papers; i.e. not fiction. I_Byte's post suggested that we would be "helping out", presumably with the topic at hand, which fictional works are not.
- skrebbel 5y agoThanks, I get it now.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoActually it is. It's implying what's the value (relative) of hosting only fiction (science fiction I assume) as opposed to actual scientific knowledge.
- I_Byte 5y agoI should have clarified in my original comment, the torrents that say scimag down at the bottom of the page are at risk torrents containing papers from SciHub.
- 07121941 5y agoMan, I love libgen. Will be completely lost if it ever shuts down. Anyone else use it to download books onto your kindle??
- speeder 5y agoI use it to download books I bought but can't be downloaded anymore because Barnes and Noble bought the publisher/online-retailer and forbid downloads from non-US citizens (yep, that is a thing).
- contravariant 5y agoThis kind of shit is why I insist on downloading and removing the DRM from all the ebooks I buy...
- raihansaputra 5y agoDRM related too. I bought books on Kindle but recently trying to highlight and process my reading notes more. Turns out publishers can set an upper limit to highlights (e.g. 20% of the book) and just cut the highlights off randomly. Infuriating, and I end up re-downloading those books (and more) off of libgen so I know my highlights are reliable.
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- eloisius 5y agoWhat prevents metaphorical Trojan-infected copies of Photoshop from ending up in a science piracy site?
- valyagolev 5y agoIt's actually fun to entertain the possibility. How would you exploit this? It could be just replaced cryptographic constants in key papers... But it could also be some random psychological "discoveries" for the people to quote. A couple of "10-hour shifts considered very good" here and there, and the society will be completely brought to waste by the middle-managers unable to stop quoting them.
- givepause 5y agoThey only host PDFs and EPUBs, so there's no software involved.
- Mediterraneo10 5y agoBoth the PDF and EPUB formats allow embedding programs within them. The risk of malware is remote but real.
- eloisius 5y agoWhile I think it’s incorrect to assume PDFs cannot be exploited, I’m using computer viruses as a metaphor. What if a legit chemistry paper was tampered with such that the procedure creates and explosively releases a nerve agent and a cheap grad student that didn’t pay for the legal copy unknowingly follows it?
- JetSpiegel 5y ago> What if a legit chemistry paper was tampered with such that the procedure creates and explosively releases a nerve agent and a cheap grad student that didn’t pay for the legal copy unknowingly follows it? That grad student is visited by representatives from the military-industrial complex and is quickly drafted to doing that again. Imagine creating nerve agents by accident, what a breakthrough!
- na85 5y agoI've seen estimates of the total sci-hub/libgen size at anywhere from 20TB to 75+TB. Probably there are lots of dupes in there, and a dedicated dedup effort could reduce that size by a bit. But taking the upper end: A WD Black 10 TB platter drive[0] costs $329, which means it would take only $2700 or so to have enough storage space to archive what's basically the sum total of human scientific knowledge. [0] - https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-desktop-sata-hdd#WD101FZBX https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-...
- CheezeIt 5y agoYou can pick up an 8TB WD black external for $200, and I saw cheaper WD EasyStore 8TB’s at retail in Best Buy today at $180, and that’s just what I saw offhand earlier today.
- vzkq 5y agoChia Coin is driving up storage prices for the reasons other currencies drove up GPU prices
- walrus01 5y agoSomething is starting to go really wrong in HDD pricing, following GPUs and other things, because I bought that same 8TB drive two years ago for $147. Hard drive prices are supposed to decrease in $ per TB over a multi year period, with advances in areal density.
- johntash 5y agoThis is from 2 years ago. Is there a new effort going on related to this?
- andyxor 5y agoI don't think so, but this didn't become less important, and both sci-hub and libgen could use a donation or help with archiving/seeding those TBs of scientific articles sci-hub bitcoin address (from sci-hub.do): 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns libgen donation page https://libgen.life/viewtopic.php?p=79795#p79795 https://libgen.life/viewtopic.php?p=79795#p79795
- eleitl 5y agoSee http://freeread.org http://freeread.org
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- andyxor 5y agoprev (Dec 2019, 908 points, 259 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21692222 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21692222
- devwastaken 5y agoRecently Mega took down a popular ethereum miner download for no given reason. Underground archival is much more difficult than people give credit for. Most vpn's being U.S. based are well within logging laws + secret court orders. TOR just this week had hundreds of exit nodes flooded in for an attempted deanonymization attack. It's tough times for being a data share.
- eleitl 5y agoIPFS is quite resilient, and work well with VPN as well.
- yosito 5y agoIt's unfortunate that preserving access to scientific knowledge is being associated with piracy. I get the connection, but Libgen is an entirely different thing than torrenting copyrighted media for entertainment.
- d110af5ccf 5y agoUhh, you realize Libgen has a fiction section (among other things), right?
- swiley 5y agoIME when you move away from Math/Engineering libgen tends to have a much thinner selection (although I'll admit that I've always gone to standardebooks for fiction.)
- trompetenaccoun 5y agoThe headline makes it sound like it's about sci hub, maybe that that's why people are confused.
- Mediterraneo10 5y agoAn ebook reader plus the fiction section on LibGen (and its predecessor ebook-sharing websites) has allowed me to avoid spending money on novels for nearly a decade now. Yes, often the novels I was reading were part of the modern canon (e.g. works by Nobel laureates) and ought to be freely available to all – I think everyone has a right to a basic cultural education, and copyright shouldn’t be enforced on things considered canonical. But other times, the novels I was reading were pretty inane genre fiction with little claim to cultural value, so yes, it was piracy for the sake of entertainment. Instead of trying to deny that LibGen is used for that, I think we might celebrate it.
- einpoklum 5y ago> Library Genesis is powered by Sci-Hub I thought sci-hub and library genesis were independent projects? At any rate, I applaud those who are willing to stick their neck out somewhat to stand up for all of us students, scientists and engineers who need access to the material on Library Genesis.
- givepause 5y agoIt should read (partially) empowered by Sci-Hub, since they host an archive of Sci-Hub.
- mr_o47 5y agoAs a college student who have actively used LibGen for books and even for books for personal self development which I couldn’t afford at that time. I have special place in my heart for these people as they are persevering knowledge and making sure everyone gets access to it As they say knowledge is power
- ck2 5y agoAh I thought this was going to be about SciHub LibGen is also great.