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holywood is based on it too. I gues netflix will merge the worst of both worlds. The actors guild union actually demand you work as a almost-no-pay extra/suppo

holywood is based on it too. I gues netflix will merge the worst of both worlds. The actors guild union actually demand you work as a almost-no-pay extra/support for several productions before you are even admitted to the union. not to mention the informal but prevalent culture of "assistants" where people stabilished in the industry takes in people they treat as literal vassals doing errands.

dylan604 5y ago
>The actors guild union actually demand Not sure this is true. Can you point to where in the bylaws this is stated?
- lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild#Becoming_a_member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild#Becoming_a...
  - dylan604 5y ago
    None of what you link shows anything about SAG demanding actors to do unpaid work. The second option specifically states that you must provide vouchers and then ulimately proof of paid work on three separate occasions as a background actor. The first option is a no-brainer in that you're getting paid as a lead. The 3rd option of being a member in good standing with another union also has nothing to do with doing unpaid work.
    - lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
      in practice, this all means: to be able to apply, you have to have worked 3+ times as non union. Which is usually unpaid or paid extremely low. This is even worse on the side-unions, such as costume, etc.
      - munk-a 5y ago
        In practice there may be shifty individuals specifically exploiting the situation - but it sounds like SAG requires that it members be well compensated and treated fairly and tries to make it easy to approach joining the union from a number of different angles. If there's exploitation going on here I don't think it's really fair to attribute it to SAG in particular (though I'm not certain if you ever were, your original comment just mentioned the exploitation of hollywood - not specifically that SAG was driving this). Maybe it's more the case that a landscape that's likely to be rife with exploitation (and actors and abstract artists are extremely vulnerable to exploitation as a class of employee due to the strange quality of the value they produce) is actually made a little bit better by SAG ensuring that most actors are getting a fair shake?

dylan604 5y ago

>The actors guild union actually demand Not sure this is true. Can you point to where in the bylaws this is stated?

lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild#Becoming_a_member https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild#Becoming_a...
- dylan604 5y ago
  None of what you link shows anything about SAG demanding actors to do unpaid work. The second option specifically states that you must provide vouchers and then ulimately proof of paid work on three separate occasions as a background actor. The first option is a no-brainer in that you're getting paid as a lead. The 3rd option of being a member in good standing with another union also has nothing to do with doing unpaid work.
  - lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
    in practice, this all means: to be able to apply, you have to have worked 3+ times as non union. Which is usually unpaid or paid extremely low. This is even worse on the side-unions, such as costume, etc.
    - munk-a 5y ago
      In practice there may be shifty individuals specifically exploiting the situation - but it sounds like SAG requires that it members be well compensated and treated fairly and tries to make it easy to approach joining the union from a number of different angles. If there's exploitation going on here I don't think it's really fair to attribute it to SAG in particular (though I'm not certain if you ever were, your original comment just mentioned the exploitation of hollywood - not specifically that SAG was driving this). Maybe it's more the case that a landscape that's likely to be rife with exploitation (and actors and abstract artists are extremely vulnerable to exploitation as a class of employee due to the strange quality of the value they produce) is actually made a little bit better by SAG ensuring that most actors are getting a fair shake?