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I suspect you are probably right. What this leads me to believe more and more is that there is no natural right to art. I'm really feeling more like copyright

I suspect you are probably right. What this leads me to believe more and more is that there is no natural right to art. I'm really feeling more like copyright needs to just go.

jibbit 15y ago
It has nothing todo with what is 'natural'. There is no natural right to land ownership - it's just the system we choose democratically because we believe that the advantages it brings outweigh the certain misery it causes the impoverished. Few of us believe that abolishing the right to Private Property would, on the whole, bring about a net gain for the majority. Personally, i don't believe that the Maisel case has much to say about abolishing Copyright. That doesn't mean i'm not in favour of doing so, but Maisel is an edge case.
- kenjackson 15y ago
  Actually, the most prominent scholars in this field often do include land ownership as a natural right. John Locke, the modern father of natural law, described natural rights as, "life, liberty, and estate". I think its largely settled philosophy now. Copyrights are still much more debatable. The main defense for pro-copyright activists are that they're necessary for the economy. I tend more and more to the belief that the economy will change as a result -- a freer economy, but a different one.
ralfd 15y ago
It was explained to me that big companies can't simply copy ideas/concepts. Example: They ask for an expose of work and then don't hire the original artist but reproduce it inhouse. Also think publishers or even Hollywood: Scripts are advertised by their authors to many producer (like the proverbial taxi driver who tells every prominent passenger of his movie idea) but this only can work if manuscripts are protected. The other example is something like GNU: If you kill copyright the GNU Public license would cease to exist.
bad_user 15y ago
there is no natural right to art As a hobbyist photographer I can tell you - good photography is freaking hard. And IMHO, there are 2 kinds of people in this debate - the ones that can make good photos and the ones that bitch about the existence of copyright.

I suspect you are probably right. What this leads me to believe more and more is that there is no natural right to art. I'm really feeling more like copyright needs to just go.

jibbit 15y ago

It has nothing todo with what is 'natural'. There is no natural right to land ownership - it's just the system we choose democratically because we believe that the advantages it brings outweigh the certain misery it causes the impoverished. Few of us believe that abolishing the right to Private Property would, on the whole, bring about a net gain for the majority. Personally, i don't believe that the Maisel case has much to say about abolishing Copyright. That doesn't mean i'm not in favour of doing so, but Maisel is an edge case.

kenjackson 15y ago
Actually, the most prominent scholars in this field often do include land ownership as a natural right. John Locke, the modern father of natural law, described natural rights as, "life, liberty, and estate". I think its largely settled philosophy now. Copyrights are still much more debatable. The main defense for pro-copyright activists are that they're necessary for the economy. I tend more and more to the belief that the economy will change as a result -- a freer economy, but a different one.

ralfd 15y ago

It was explained to me that big companies can't simply copy ideas/concepts. Example: They ask for an expose of work and then don't hire the original artist but reproduce it inhouse. Also think publishers or even Hollywood: Scripts are advertised by their authors to many producer (like the proverbial taxi driver who tells every prominent passenger of his movie idea) but this only can work if manuscripts are protected. The other example is something like GNU: If you kill copyright the GNU Public license would cease to exist.

bad_user 15y ago

there is no natural right to art As a hobbyist photographer I can tell you - good photography is freaking hard. And IMHO, there are 2 kinds of people in this debate - the ones that can make good photos and the ones that bitch about the existence of copyright.