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"Okay class, child labour, a few thousand poor people dead, terrorist groups starving hundreds of thousands, destroying schools and libraries. That is where dia

"Okay class, child labour, a few thousand poor people dead, terrorist groups starving hundreds of thousands, destroying schools and libraries. That is where diamonds come from. How many would still want a natural diamond because diamonds are forever?" The elephant in that lecture hall was probably the hypocrisy. I think if you still raise a hand after hearing all that, the issue isn't branding at all. It's narcissim, that people have to die so you can maintain the illusion of...of what? That's the difference.

offtop5 5y ago
It also factors into how someone grew up. I'd rather toss 10k into a couple emergency fund then waste it on a ring. Most marriages collapse due to money. I recall in my younger days I was with a girl and she dragged me to Brooks Brothers. As a child of poverty and evictions I couldn't understand why anyone who need to spend this much money on a shirt. Even making well into the 6 figures I shop at Old Navy. Hell, my favorite partner thus far was making 200k or so, and she still used an IPhone 6. Maybe whenever I meet someone new I'll ask on the first date, would you rather have 10k saved in an emergency fund or a shinny conflict rock ? Her response will tell me everything I need to know.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  >Maybe whenever I meet someone new I'll ask on the first date, would you rather have 10k saved in an emergency fund or a shinny conflict rock ? Her response will tell me everything I need to know. I don't know about asking that on the very first date, but it is very reasonable (essential even) to make sure your priorities and your partner's priorities match up.
- falcor84 5y ago
  >Most marriages collapse due to money. Some studies on factors leading to divorce do put 'money' (and particularly attitudes regarding money) as the biggest single factor, but I'm not familiar with any study (let alone a consensus) that it's a leading factor in 'most' divorces.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
    Money, Children and Infidelity. Children also includes weirdly a large subset on how to raise children (when marrying someone of a different faith)
    - ask_b123 5y ago
      Is this a book or a set of books or a study? Could you please tell me who is the author?
      - WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
        These were the most common before no-fault divorce became the common cause so they used to come from court filings. In these days, some of them come from marriage counseling statistics undertaken during divorce (some states require it before disolving a marriage). There is some specific research from small N groups where N=52 for example (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/)
        ask_b123 5y ago
        Oh! Money, Children and Infidelity are factors, instead of studies or a book. I think I was confused because the words were capitalized. Thanks for the link as well, I found it interesting. :-)
        WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
        Oh yeah, that does look like a title.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  People buy expensive clothes because it makes others think they have money. By wearing a brand she is mentally leaving the proviety behind. I don't think you have mentally left that state of mind. Thinking you need $10,000 in cash and telling everyone on the first date tells them this guy will never save more than 10,000 and he is cheap with his money. Might work for some but perhaps you are putting out a negative signal.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
    > I don't think you have mentally left that state of mind. All of those people in 2008 who lost their houses in my neighborhood had the left that state of mind.
  - offtop5 5y ago
    >he is cheap with his money Exactly, anyone I'm with needs to understand the difference between my money and their money. I've had no problem dating plenty of fantastic girls who have their own careers( real life only and I tend to date a few years older ). That's by far my number one priority when meeting someone, have your own life together first. $10,000 was a random number, maybe the pre-marriage emergency fund needs to be $50,000, 100,000 ? In my mind having that money saved up says when life happens, and life will happen you'll be okay.
  - dec0dedab0de 5y ago
    That's a dangerous mindset. I know too many people who can't wait to get into more debt, then complain when they can't afford things. I'm thinking of specific people that have more expensive versions of everything I own, while making less money than me, then saying "it must be nice" when they see me go on vacation or go out to dinner without considering the cost. Plus I think you're being a bit unfair about his first date comment. It seemed like it was more of a quip to explain his position, than an actual plan
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    I agree it wouldn't be a good signal for most women early on. I remember, a few months in a relationship, lightly making fun of some of her "cheap" behaviours (which I really appreciated) and her getting very offended. At that point I realised I never communicated I was a massive cheapskate and I asked her if she thought she was more frugal than me. It turns out she thought so! I think I definitely proved I won the frugality contest, but I learnt over time to mask this to appear more interesting and charming. Money is not the only resource that count and that's worthy of optimising for; time and reputation are important as well.
- vagrantJin 5y ago
  I hear your point. How we grow up is important on how we make decisions but we can't turn a blind eye on individual facualty. If killing koala bears to make purses or minks for fur coats puts people in their feelings, I don't get how a blood diamond escapes the conversation of morality. I don't think it's a radical claim that most want blood diamonds precisely because lot's of people suffered and possibly died for it. That's the elephant in the room. The sadistic narcissism of which I speak. > Maybe whenever I meet someone new I'll ask on the first date, would you rather have 10k saved in an emergency fund or a shinny conflict rock ? Her response will tell me everything I need to know. Haha. I doubt her answer is going to deter you from the path you intended. You'll probably still be mesmerized so maybe this is 29th date, watching netflix after getting laid type of talk. Is money the cause or symptom? Unrealistic expectations of overflowing love clouding rational judgement of lifelong partnerships? I feel money is too simple an explaination - as if the foundation of the marriage was money in which case it was dead before it even started.
whatever1 5y ago
People value (perceived) scarcity. They are not willing to pay for a reprint of painting (that might have better quality compared to the original), but they are willing to bid on the original. Does it make sense? No, but humans are emotional animals that seek for differentiation.
- clpm4j 5y ago
  Among my friends I've been surprised to find out how many believe that diamonds are genuinely scarce and that mined diamond engagement rings qualify as an investment asset.
sandworm101 5y ago
Don't apply logic to fashion choices. Why do some sneakers sell for thousands? It is all about the attached backstory. Two identical shoes, but one was owned by a celeb. The backstory, the notoriety of owning the embodiment of that backstory, is the value. Some people want to own something 'from the earth'. Some would even pay more for an object that people suffered to produce. Lots of people certainly pay more for objects that come from animals suffering. Blood diamonds are no different than ivory or tiger parts, the backstories of which are so valuable that we enact laws to destroy their market.
- sodality2 5y ago
  > Two identical shoes, but one was owned by a celeb. The backstory, the notoriety of owning the embodiment of that backstory, is the value. So the value lies with the fact that it was made by slaves?....
- hobs 5y ago
  >Don't apply logic to fashion choices Fast fashion is literally harming the earth, screw everyone who says that and thinks about that, I absolutely reject it and we SHOULD apply logic to fashion choices that directly harm us and our planet.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    You can say the same thing about fast technology. There are mountains of discarded gadgets from just last year filled with toxic materials that first had to be mined from the Earth, and now are polluting the Earth.
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    - Anthony-G 5y ago
      I totally would say the same thing. That’s why I support all steps that make it easier for devices to be repaired and re-used. My hi-fi system is 30 years old. My Squeezeboxes (audio players) are 15 years old. Laptop (running LXDE) is 13 years old. TV is 10 years old (only 720p but free of “smart” aka tracking features). The mobile phone is about 7 years old; this one is due for replacement and while I usually buy second-hand, I am considering a Fairphone 3. The most recent device I bought (a year ago) was an Apple TV which I’d hope to be using for at least another 5 years.
GordonS 5y ago
I personally fully agree, but unfortunately not everyone thinks as logically as you or I. I talked about this with my wife recently, and even though she had a vague idea of the horrors that mined diamonds bring, she'd still continue to buy/want mined diamonds. She sees mined diamonds as more "real", and finds it difficult to believe that her diamonds in particular would be part of the problem - as if it somehow would only affect diamonds purchased in dodgy, back-room deals. She seems to think it's OK because "everyone else does it". No amount of discussion of verifiable facts seems to change that view; indeed, she got quite annoyed with me, and didn't want to discuss it any further. A large part of the problem is conditioning, through both advertising and tradition. In the west, we are conditioned from an early age to believe that "diamonds are a girl's best friend", that women should accept nothing less that a "real" diamond, and that men should spend some silly multiple of their salary when buying such a diamond. Diamonds are synonymous with luxury. What we really need is a big, sustained campaign against mined diamonds, really putting the horrors in the faces of potential customers, so they have to accept the damage mined diamonds cause,and accept that they are part of the problem. Such a campaign probably needs to be fronted by celebrities - inspirational figures that people will listen to. I whole-heartedly applaud Pandora for making the first move here - hopefully this will help to break the stalemate and be the start of a much bigger movement.
- kqr 5y ago
  There's also a common line of reasoning that roughly goes "well this particular diamond has obviously already been mined, so no additional harm is caused by me wanting it." Obviously you and I see that even that line of reasoning alone jacks up demand for an awful business, but not all people have the capacity to reason that abstractly about how their behaviour plays a part in a very big aggregate. ---- My wife did get this after some discussion, but we got stuck with a different problem: we asked virtually every local jeweller to create something with a lab-created diamond (or even a different shiny rock entirely) and all of them -- to our astonishment -- refused. They only work with mined diamonds from the suppliers they have long-standing contracts with and can ensure are as ethical as they come. I'm sure they have their reasons but that was very frustrating.
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arein3 5y ago
It's not that simple. Almost everyone buys clothes, electronics made with child labor. I think you might have clothes made with child labor as well. Why do you draw the line at diamonds?
- i_haz_rabies 5y ago
  It is very difficult, and expensive, to completely avoid these products (clothes and a phone being necessities, more or less, in our society). Not saying it's justified, but it is understandable that even contentious people give up when it is nearly impossible to know for sure if something was made by slaves. Which is a terrible state of affairs... this information should be easy to find.
  - arein3 5y ago
    You could buy second hand clothes and electronics if you care that much, but you don't. The author is outraged at the hypocrisy, without realising the value of diamonds is that they are scarce. If you can produce them artificially, they are no longer in the same league with the scarce ones.
    - pessimizer 5y ago
      > You could buy second hand clothes and electronics if you care that much, but you don't. This is a thing that people do, so it's not fair to assume that the parson you're having the discussion with is a hypocrite.
    - i_haz_rabies 5y ago
      Unnecessary ad hominem aside, second hand items are just as likely to have been made by slaves as new ones. The point is that our marketplace is full of the products of slave labour and almost no reliable information about it.
      - arein3 5y ago
        Yes, but at least you are recycling. Reminds me when they closed a china assembly factory because of online activism, and the chinese people there started starving, because they had no other income. They would gladly have their factory back. Also most of the help for african countries does the following: 1) There are 1 Million people starving 2) a lot of food is sent there 3) There are now 2 million people starving
kingsuper20 5y ago
I'd say it's more like: "Okay class, a very small percentage of diamonds are made via child labour, a few poor people dead, terrorist groups etc while most are made via modern mining practice. That is where diamonds come from. On the other hand, a successful marketing campaign has occurred declaring that all natural diamonds are made by torturing children. It may well be that your iPhone's supply chain causes more misery. How many would still want a natural diamond because diamonds are forever?"
bluedevil2k 5y ago
Your comment shows your understanding of the diamond industry comes from a few articles you read on the internet, like an anti-vaxx person crying foul about vaccines. The facts, about 50% of the diamonds in the world come from Western countries like Australia, Canada and Russia. Another very large percentage come from stable African countries like Botswana and South Africa. There's no child labor in any of these countries, no terrorists, not thousands of dead people, not the terrible working conditions you read 1 article about a few years ago by a writer in the Congo or the Blood Diamond movie with Leo. Botswana has used the opportunity of being so diamond-rich to require that diamonds be cut/polished in the country, enabling hundreds of their citizens to learn a new high-paying trade. Many countries require the sale of their stones happen inside the country rather than having all the stones immediately shipped off to European trading floors. The real hypocrisy is people complaining about an industry they really know nothing about.
- EricE 5y ago
  https://danwin.com/2010/08/how-de-beers-diamonds-won-over-the-japanese-and-everyone-else/ https://danwin.com/2010/08/how-de-beers-diamonds-won-over-th... You sure you want people to really know about "the industry"?!? I view Debears as industrious as the Casinos. They produce nothing but feelings created by predatory practices at an astonishingly high price.
  - bluedevil2k 5y ago
    You’re just proving my point further - you provided a link to an article more than a decade old that has links to articles even older than that. I would really like people to learn about the industry because it would cut down on the inane comments in HN stories like this. The fact that you still hold DeBeers accountable shows your lack of knowledge - they don’t advertise any more AND they don’t have a monopoly AND they’re not even the #1 diamond producer any more. “Produce nothing but feelings” — that’s called advertising. Same as Coke, BMW and Tumi.
- literallycancer 5y ago
  Stable countries like South Africa where getting carjacked is not even noteworthy. Good joke.

offtop5 5y ago

It also factors into how someone grew up. I'd rather toss 10k into a couple emergency fund then waste it on a ring. Most marriages collapse due to money. I recall in my younger days I was with a girl and she dragged me to Brooks Brothers. As a child of poverty and evictions I couldn't understand why anyone who need to spend this much money on a shirt. Even making well into the 6 figures I shop at Old Navy. Hell, my favorite partner thus far was making 200k or so, and she still used an IPhone 6. Maybe whenever I meet someone new I'll ask on the first date, would you rather have 10k saved in an emergency fund or a shinny conflict rock ? Her response will tell me everything I need to know.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
>Maybe whenever I meet someone new I'll ask on the first date, would you rather have 10k saved in an emergency fund or a shinny conflict rock ? Her response will tell me everything I need to know. I don't know about asking that on the very first date, but it is very reasonable (essential even) to make sure your priorities and your partner's priorities match up.
falcor84 5y ago
>Most marriages collapse due to money. Some studies on factors leading to divorce do put 'money' (and particularly attitudes regarding money) as the biggest single factor, but I'm not familiar with any study (let alone a consensus) that it's a leading factor in 'most' divorces.
- WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
  Money, Children and Infidelity. Children also includes weirdly a large subset on how to raise children (when marrying someone of a different faith)
  - ask_b123 5y ago
    Is this a book or a set of books or a study? Could you please tell me who is the author?
    - WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
      These were the most common before no-fault divorce became the common cause so they used to come from court filings. In these days, some of them come from marriage counseling statistics undertaken during divorce (some states require it before disolving a marriage). There is some specific research from small N groups where N=52 for example (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/)
      - ask_b123 5y ago
        Oh! Money, Children and Infidelity are factors, instead of studies or a book. I think I was confused because the words were capitalized. Thanks for the link as well, I found it interesting. :-)
        WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
        Oh yeah, that does look like a title.
ipaddr 5y ago
People buy expensive clothes because it makes others think they have money. By wearing a brand she is mentally leaving the proviety behind. I don't think you have mentally left that state of mind. Thinking you need $10,000 in cash and telling everyone on the first date tells them this guy will never save more than 10,000 and he is cheap with his money. Might work for some but perhaps you are putting out a negative signal.
- WrtCdEvrydy 5y ago
  > I don't think you have mentally left that state of mind. All of those people in 2008 who lost their houses in my neighborhood had the left that state of mind.
- offtop5 5y ago
  >he is cheap with his money Exactly, anyone I'm with needs to understand the difference between my money and their money. I've had no problem dating plenty of fantastic girls who have their own careers( real life only and I tend to date a few years older ). That's by far my number one priority when meeting someone, have your own life together first. $10,000 was a random number, maybe the pre-marriage emergency fund needs to be $50,000, 100,000 ? In my mind having that money saved up says when life happens, and life will happen you'll be okay.
- dec0dedab0de 5y ago
  That's a dangerous mindset. I know too many people who can't wait to get into more debt, then complain when they can't afford things. I'm thinking of specific people that have more expensive versions of everything I own, while making less money than me, then saying "it must be nice" when they see me go on vacation or go out to dinner without considering the cost. Plus I think you're being a bit unfair about his first date comment. It seemed like it was more of a quip to explain his position, than an actual plan
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  I agree it wouldn't be a good signal for most women early on. I remember, a few months in a relationship, lightly making fun of some of her "cheap" behaviours (which I really appreciated) and her getting very offended. At that point I realised I never communicated I was a massive cheapskate and I asked her if she thought she was more frugal than me. It turns out she thought so! I think I definitely proved I won the frugality contest, but I learnt over time to mask this to appear more interesting and charming. Money is not the only resource that count and that's worthy of optimising for; time and reputation are important as well.
vagrantJin 5y ago
I hear your point. How we grow up is important on how we make decisions but we can't turn a blind eye on individual facualty. If killing koala bears to make purses or minks for fur coats puts people in their feelings, I don't get how a blood diamond escapes the conversation of morality. I don't think it's a radical claim that most want blood diamonds precisely because lot's of people suffered and possibly died for it. That's the elephant in the room. The sadistic narcissism of which I speak. > Maybe whenever I meet someone new I'll ask on the first date, would you rather have 10k saved in an emergency fund or a shinny conflict rock ? Her response will tell me everything I need to know. Haha. I doubt her answer is going to deter you from the path you intended. You'll probably still be mesmerized so maybe this is 29th date, watching netflix after getting laid type of talk. Is money the cause or symptom? Unrealistic expectations of overflowing love clouding rational judgement of lifelong partnerships? I feel money is too simple an explaination - as if the foundation of the marriage was money in which case it was dead before it even started.

whatever1 5y ago

People value (perceived) scarcity. They are not willing to pay for a reprint of painting (that might have better quality compared to the original), but they are willing to bid on the original. Does it make sense? No, but humans are emotional animals that seek for differentiation.

clpm4j 5y ago
Among my friends I've been surprised to find out how many believe that diamonds are genuinely scarce and that mined diamond engagement rings qualify as an investment asset.

sandworm101 5y ago

Don't apply logic to fashion choices. Why do some sneakers sell for thousands? It is all about the attached backstory. Two identical shoes, but one was owned by a celeb. The backstory, the notoriety of owning the embodiment of that backstory, is the value. Some people want to own something 'from the earth'. Some would even pay more for an object that people suffered to produce. Lots of people certainly pay more for objects that come from animals suffering. Blood diamonds are no different than ivory or tiger parts, the backstories of which are so valuable that we enact laws to destroy their market.

sodality2 5y ago
> Two identical shoes, but one was owned by a celeb. The backstory, the notoriety of owning the embodiment of that backstory, is the value. So the value lies with the fact that it was made by slaves?....
hobs 5y ago
>Don't apply logic to fashion choices Fast fashion is literally harming the earth, screw everyone who says that and thinks about that, I absolutely reject it and we SHOULD apply logic to fashion choices that directly harm us and our planet.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  You can say the same thing about fast technology. There are mountains of discarded gadgets from just last year filled with toxic materials that first had to be mined from the Earth, and now are polluting the Earth.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Anthony-G 5y ago
    I totally would say the same thing. That’s why I support all steps that make it easier for devices to be repaired and re-used. My hi-fi system is 30 years old. My Squeezeboxes (audio players) are 15 years old. Laptop (running LXDE) is 13 years old. TV is 10 years old (only 720p but free of “smart” aka tracking features). The mobile phone is about 7 years old; this one is due for replacement and while I usually buy second-hand, I am considering a Fairphone 3. The most recent device I bought (a year ago) was an Apple TV which I’d hope to be using for at least another 5 years.

GordonS 5y ago

I personally fully agree, but unfortunately not everyone thinks as logically as you or I. I talked about this with my wife recently, and even though she had a vague idea of the horrors that mined diamonds bring, she'd still continue to buy/want mined diamonds. She sees mined diamonds as more "real", and finds it difficult to believe that her diamonds in particular would be part of the problem - as if it somehow would only affect diamonds purchased in dodgy, back-room deals. She seems to think it's OK because "everyone else does it". No amount of discussion of verifiable facts seems to change that view; indeed, she got quite annoyed with me, and didn't want to discuss it any further. A large part of the problem is conditioning, through both advertising and tradition. In the west, we are conditioned from an early age to believe that "diamonds are a girl's best friend", that women should accept nothing less that a "real" diamond, and that men should spend some silly multiple of their salary when buying such a diamond. Diamonds are synonymous with luxury. What we really need is a big, sustained campaign against mined diamonds, really putting the horrors in the faces of potential customers, so they have to accept the damage mined diamonds cause,and accept that they are part of the problem. Such a campaign probably needs to be fronted by celebrities - inspirational figures that people will listen to. I whole-heartedly applaud Pandora for making the first move here - hopefully this will help to break the stalemate and be the start of a much bigger movement.

kqr 5y ago
There's also a common line of reasoning that roughly goes "well this particular diamond has obviously already been mined, so no additional harm is caused by me wanting it." Obviously you and I see that even that line of reasoning alone jacks up demand for an awful business, but not all people have the capacity to reason that abstractly about how their behaviour plays a part in a very big aggregate. ---- My wife did get this after some discussion, but we got stuck with a different problem: we asked virtually every local jeweller to create something with a lab-created diamond (or even a different shiny rock entirely) and all of them -- to our astonishment -- refused. They only work with mined diamonds from the suppliers they have long-standing contracts with and can ensure are as ethical as they come. I'm sure they have their reasons but that was very frustrating.
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arein3 5y ago

It's not that simple. Almost everyone buys clothes, electronics made with child labor. I think you might have clothes made with child labor as well. Why do you draw the line at diamonds?

i_haz_rabies 5y ago
It is very difficult, and expensive, to completely avoid these products (clothes and a phone being necessities, more or less, in our society). Not saying it's justified, but it is understandable that even contentious people give up when it is nearly impossible to know for sure if something was made by slaves. Which is a terrible state of affairs... this information should be easy to find.
- arein3 5y ago
  You could buy second hand clothes and electronics if you care that much, but you don't. The author is outraged at the hypocrisy, without realising the value of diamonds is that they are scarce. If you can produce them artificially, they are no longer in the same league with the scarce ones.
  - pessimizer 5y ago
    > You could buy second hand clothes and electronics if you care that much, but you don't. This is a thing that people do, so it's not fair to assume that the parson you're having the discussion with is a hypocrite.
  - i_haz_rabies 5y ago
    Unnecessary ad hominem aside, second hand items are just as likely to have been made by slaves as new ones. The point is that our marketplace is full of the products of slave labour and almost no reliable information about it.
    - arein3 5y ago
      Yes, but at least you are recycling. Reminds me when they closed a china assembly factory because of online activism, and the chinese people there started starving, because they had no other income. They would gladly have their factory back. Also most of the help for african countries does the following: 1) There are 1 Million people starving 2) a lot of food is sent there 3) There are now 2 million people starving

kingsuper20 5y ago

I'd say it's more like: "Okay class, a very small percentage of diamonds are made via child labour, a few poor people dead, terrorist groups etc while most are made via modern mining practice. That is where diamonds come from. On the other hand, a successful marketing campaign has occurred declaring that all natural diamonds are made by torturing children. It may well be that your iPhone's supply chain causes more misery. How many would still want a natural diamond because diamonds are forever?"

bluedevil2k 5y ago

Your comment shows your understanding of the diamond industry comes from a few articles you read on the internet, like an anti-vaxx person crying foul about vaccines. The facts, about 50% of the diamonds in the world come from Western countries like Australia, Canada and Russia. Another very large percentage come from stable African countries like Botswana and South Africa. There's no child labor in any of these countries, no terrorists, not thousands of dead people, not the terrible working conditions you read 1 article about a few years ago by a writer in the Congo or the Blood Diamond movie with Leo. Botswana has used the opportunity of being so diamond-rich to require that diamonds be cut/polished in the country, enabling hundreds of their citizens to learn a new high-paying trade. Many countries require the sale of their stones happen inside the country rather than having all the stones immediately shipped off to European trading floors. The real hypocrisy is people complaining about an industry they really know nothing about.

EricE 5y ago
https://danwin.com/2010/08/how-de-beers-diamonds-won-over-the-japanese-and-everyone-else/ https://danwin.com/2010/08/how-de-beers-diamonds-won-over-th... You sure you want people to really know about "the industry"?!? I view Debears as industrious as the Casinos. They produce nothing but feelings created by predatory practices at an astonishingly high price.
- bluedevil2k 5y ago
  You’re just proving my point further - you provided a link to an article more than a decade old that has links to articles even older than that. I would really like people to learn about the industry because it would cut down on the inane comments in HN stories like this. The fact that you still hold DeBeers accountable shows your lack of knowledge - they don’t advertise any more AND they don’t have a monopoly AND they’re not even the #1 diamond producer any more. “Produce nothing but feelings” — that’s called advertising. Same as Coke, BMW and Tumi.
literallycancer 5y ago
Stable countries like South Africa where getting carjacked is not even noteworthy. Good joke.