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Chimpanzees brains also don't have the same energy demands. We also still don't understand the mechanisms behind rare diseases that are associated with vegetar
by atian 5y ago
Chimpanzees brains also don't have the same energy demands.
We also still don't understand the mechanisms behind rare diseases that are associated with vegetarian diets but also not considered from being overt malnourishment. We are far from ready from centrally advocating for plant-based diets.
Seems like the best thing we can do and are doing is introducing more plant-based options on the market.
- Jiejeing 5y agoThat is true, but we (as a society) still eat way too much meat compared to what is required as part of our nutritional intake. I don’t advocate getting the "just right" amount needed (because it is not really easy to compute depending on activity, lifestyle, body type, etc…), but modern meat consumption is neither healthy nor ecologically sustainable.
- deepnotderp 5y agoNo we don’t. We eat less than most Hunter gatherers did, even accounting for variability iirc
- nobodyandproud 5y agoI don’t think we can generalize that, because it depends on where the hunter-gatherer lived. https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/health/hunter-gatherer-diet-tanzania-the-conversation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/health/hunter-gatherer-diet-t... It’s a three day sampling, but fruit and honey make-up a non-trivial portion of their caloric intake. Inuit diet, of course, was mostly fat and protein out of necessity
- fmajid 5y agoWe only started eating vegetables 85,000 years ago. For the 2M years before that it was all meat diet: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-2-million-years-humans-ate-meat-and-little-else-study/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-2-million-years-humans-ate...
- nobodyandproud 5y agoYour link indicates it’s a hypothesis, and not a widely -accepted PoV.
- nobodyandproud 5y agoIn fact, one of the conclusions was off: https://news.ncsu.edu/2015/07/beasley-acid-2015/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2015/07/beasley-acid-2015/ If anything, high acidity shows humans as scavengers rather than hunters.
- fmajid 5y agoYes. That would also explain why we prefer dry-aged rather than fresh beef.
- deepnotderp 5y agoI'm well aware of diet variability, but overall we ate lots of meat.
- Jiejeing 5y agoDo you have the same nutritional needs as a hunter gatherer?
- nitrogen 5y agoAnyone who does many miles of running in a week, or works a manual labor job, just might.
- watwut 5y agoI am 100% sure they suffered all kinds of malnutrition.
- deepnotderp 5y agoWe should encourage people to eat healthier diets, this will not only lead to more fulfilling lives, but also save enormous amounts of healthcare spending. Iirc Hadza life expectancy is 70 years vs 75 for modern humans (excluding child mortality). That's with NO access to modern healthcare! As for me personally, I run 8 mi/day and lift 6 days a week so yes. EDIT: source on hunter gatherers living almost as long as us: https://theconversation.com/hunter-gatherers-live-nearly-as-long-as-we-do-but-with-limited-access-to-healthcare-104157 https://theconversation.com/hunter-gatherers-live-nearly-as-...
- seanwilson 5y ago> We are far from ready from centrally advocating for plant-based diets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan_nutrition#Positions_of_dietetic_and_government_associations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan_nutrition#Positions_of_d... "Positions of dietetic and government associations - The American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and Dietitians of Canada state that properly planned vegan diets are appropriate for all life stages, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence.[5][6] They indicate that vegetarian diets may be more common among adolescents with eating disorders, but that its adoption may serve to camouflage a disorder rather than cause one. The Australian National Health and Medical Research Council similarly recognizes a well-planned vegan diet as viable for any age,[7][8] as does the New Zealand Ministry of Health,[9] British National Health Service,[10] British Nutrition Foundation,[11] Dietitians Association of Australia,[12] United States Department of Agriculture,[13] Mayo Clinic,[14] Canadian Pediatric Society,[15] and Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada.[16] The British National Health Service's Eatwell Plate allows for an entirely plant-based diet,[17] as does the United States Department of Agriculture's (USDA) MyPlate.[18][19] The USDA allows tofu to replace meat in the National School Lunch Program.[20] The American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics adds that well-planned vegan diets are also appropriate for older adults and athletes.[1]"
- atian 5y ago> properly planned > well-planned For these reasons requiring proper planning on the individual level is why the US require certain foods to be fortified.
- meristohm 5y agoMy argument is for eating less meat because it costs so much in resources to make. A moratorium can be easier (especially when trying to avoid something unhealthy for me and which I feel compelled to consume), but rather than urge everyone to be vegetarian (consistently 5% of USA population[0]) it makes more sense to set limits for everyone, along with introducing options to help the shift. [0] podcast: How to Save a Planet, 2021-03-25, The Beef With Beef