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> Linux desktop is nowhere this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop" was so far (posting from laptop running Linux) > A linux phone i

> Linux desktop is nowhere this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop" was so far (posting from laptop running Linux) > A linux phone is simply unthinkable Linux phones exist already > You can't race It is not always necessary to win completely and crush competition to reach goal

watwut 6y ago
Linux phone exists, but they are super niche product bought basically only by people who want Linux on phone specifically. They are not competitive in general market.
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  Oh I agree. I was responding to "A linux phone is simply unthinkable" that is ridiculous and blatantly untrue.
konart 6y ago
>this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop" was so far (posting from laptop running Linux) This will be untrue when linux will have noticeable* share of installs. Not just you and some other tech guys who amount to grand total of 2-3% of desktop systems. [*] - at least 10-15%.
- ryukafalz 6y ago
  Who cares if its marketshare is above some arbitrary number so long as there's enough interest to keep development going? It doesn't matter to me what other people are using, I find Linux desktops to be the most comfortable thing for me, so I use them! If other people are satisfied with Windows and everything that goes along with it (forced auto-updates, ads, etc) - fine! You do you. I'm happy with what I have though.
  - konart 6y ago
    I haven't touched windows as a software developer since around 2008, so I don't know what's going on in there really. So long as I can launch games in my steam lib I'm fine. My main working OS was Ubuntu (~2006-2010) and Arch(20010-2013). Then I got tired of my Android phone and switched to iPhone and mac book. (if that matters somehow) As for you question - you were saying, quote: >this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop" was so far (posting from laptop running Linux) when answering to > Linux desktop is nowhere I was merely pointing out that your preferences has nothing to do with general situation. And the general situation is that Linux is almost nonexistent on desktop. Hence no 'Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop"' being not true so far. The phrase was and is about linux taking some meaningfull portion of market for itself, not about a you using it. Obviously linux was on desktop since 90s You do you, nobody is trying to take it away from you.
    - ryukafalz 6y ago
      > you were saying, quote I mean, you're not quoting me there, but... :) > Hence no 'Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop"' being not true so far. The phrase was and is about linux taking some meaningfull portion of market for itself, not about a you using it. Eh, the phrase has always been ill-defined. It could be interpreted as talking about marketshare - but it could also be interpreted as the point where Linux is technically as or more capable than its competitors as a desktop OS. That point has come and gone. (And really, the phrase tends to be used more as a potshot at Linux users than anything actually meaningful.)
    - matkoniecz 6y ago
      > And the general situation is that Linux is almost nonexistent on desktop. It is not the same as "Linux desktop is nowhere" 2% in total population is tiny but not "nowhere". And in some populations (like programmers) use is much higher, 25% according to SO survey. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
      - 6y ago
sto_hristo 6y ago
Well i'm also posting from a PC running linux desktop. But i can deal with it. The vast majority of consumers can't and will not. Also, if i had to create a desktop application, i'd target windows/macos primarily, as most other developers do. And even though those pure linux phones exist, they're hardly usable. Sure, it's just the beginning, given time it will evolve. But the problem of effort disparity will inevitably manifest itself again, and you'll get 1000s of distros to choose from and none will stand up to to that single android device. > It is not always necessary to win completely and crush competition to reach goal I agree. I like to run for the fun of it and don't care for racing. But if you're going to compete directly against android phone or a windows desktop, you have to play to win.

watwut 6y ago

Linux phone exists, but they are super niche product bought basically only by people who want Linux on phone specifically. They are not competitive in general market.

matkoniecz 6y ago
Oh I agree. I was responding to "A linux phone is simply unthinkable" that is ridiculous and blatantly untrue.

konart 6y ago

>this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop" was so far (posting from laptop running Linux) This will be untrue when linux will have noticeable* share of installs. Not just you and some other tech guys who amount to grand total of 2-3% of desktop systems. [*] - at least 10-15%.

ryukafalz 6y ago
Who cares if its marketshare is above some arbitrary number so long as there's enough interest to keep development going? It doesn't matter to me what other people are using, I find Linux desktops to be the most comfortable thing for me, so I use them! If other people are satisfied with Windows and everything that goes along with it (forced auto-updates, ads, etc) - fine! You do you. I'm happy with what I have though.
- konart 6y ago
  I haven't touched windows as a software developer since around 2008, so I don't know what's going on in there really. So long as I can launch games in my steam lib I'm fine. My main working OS was Ubuntu (~2006-2010) and Arch(20010-2013). Then I got tired of my Android phone and switched to iPhone and mac book. (if that matters somehow) As for you question - you were saying, quote: >this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop" was so far (posting from laptop running Linux) when answering to > Linux desktop is nowhere I was merely pointing out that your preferences has nothing to do with general situation. And the general situation is that Linux is almost nonexistent on desktop. Hence no 'Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop"' being not true so far. The phrase was and is about linux taking some meaningfull portion of market for itself, not about a you using it. Obviously linux was on desktop since 90s You do you, nobody is trying to take it away from you.
  - ryukafalz 6y ago
    > you were saying, quote I mean, you're not quoting me there, but... :) > Hence no 'Year $YEAR will be year of Linux on desktop"' being not true so far. The phrase was and is about linux taking some meaningfull portion of market for itself, not about a you using it. Eh, the phrase has always been ill-defined. It could be interpreted as talking about marketshare - but it could also be interpreted as the point where Linux is technically as or more capable than its competitors as a desktop OS. That point has come and gone. (And really, the phrase tends to be used more as a potshot at Linux users than anything actually meaningful.)
  - matkoniecz 6y ago
    > And the general situation is that Linux is almost nonexistent on desktop. It is not the same as "Linux desktop is nowhere" 2% in total population is tiny but not "nowhere". And in some populations (like programmers) use is much higher, 25% according to SO survey. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
    - 6y ago

sto_hristo 6y ago

Well i'm also posting from a PC running linux desktop. But i can deal with it. The vast majority of consumers can't and will not. Also, if i had to create a desktop application, i'd target windows/macos primarily, as most other developers do. And even though those pure linux phones exist, they're hardly usable. Sure, it's just the beginning, given time it will evolve. But the problem of effort disparity will inevitably manifest itself again, and you'll get 1000s of distros to choose from and none will stand up to to that single android device. > It is not always necessary to win completely and crush competition to reach goal I agree. I like to run for the fun of it and don't care for racing. But if you're going to compete directly against android phone or a windows desktop, you have to play to win.