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Edward Snowden ousts a scammer during live stream [video]
- jf 5y agoThe interesting part of this video starts at 7:50
- crescentfresh 5y agoThe chat devolved into a series of "well I'm out", which I take to mean "I will not be investing in this".
- cyberlab 5y agoYes, here's the timestamp URL: https://youtu.be/Hv3UC4lz3oQ?t=468 https://youtu.be/Hv3UC4lz3oQ?t=468
- tpoacher 5y agoAnd here is the odysee link for those of us who do not like to be FLoCed by Google with the "watches Snowden" tag. https://odysee.com/@mario:38/edward_snowden_pic:4 https://odysee.com/@mario:38/edward_snowden_pic:4
- cyberlab 5y agoOnly learning now that that site is built using a thing called LBRY[0]. What a fascinating thing to learn about. I should have known about it earlier. Might build a few things with this... [0] https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbry https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbry
- gingerlime 5y agoYeah, I was also curious about it. I was kinda hoping for a service that I can simply replace a youtube link with another one and watch it without sharing my details directly with youtube (a proxy, I guess...). But I guess it's too much to ask.
- cyberlab 5y agoHave you seen Invidious? https://invidious.tube/feed/popular https://invidious.tube/feed/popular
- sodality2 5y ago7:15 for more backstory
- foresto 5y agoAlso, enabling the subtitles helped me understand the terrible audio.
- tyingq 5y agoBackstory: https://www.vice.com/en/article/epndnz/the-bizarre-case-of-snowden-and-a-get-rich-quick-real-estate-investing-conference https://www.vice.com/en/article/epndnz/the-bizarre-case-of-s... Including this gem: "After Snowden’s abrupt exit from the interview, Tulsiani paused the meeting for several minutes, during which a hot mic led to an exclamation of a “wasted fucking day” and someone ordering a medium iced coffee over an intercom. "
- crescentfresh 5y agoThis was on a zoom call for "Private Investment Club", headed by the fellow on the stage. Here are guest speakers they have featured/will be featuring: https://privateinvestmentclub.com/speakers/ https://privateinvestmentclub.com/speakers/ > Grant Cardone, Edward Snowden, Kevin Hart, Sunil Tulsiani, Gerry Dee, Michele Romanow, Kevin Harrington, Brian Tracy, Robert G Allen, Jack Canfield, Cora Cristobal, Robert Kiyosaki Private Investment Club calls these people "Team Members".
- nceqs3 5y agoHow does anybody fall for these scams? Also any celeb who speaks there should be shamed. Particularly Kevin Hart.
- akudha 5y agoThey didn't fall for it, they are probably paid for their appearance. Those hundreds of products that celebrities endorse, how many really use them and like them? Like Dave Chapelle said "coke and pepsi - can't even tell the difference, all I know is pepsi paid me recently, so I endorse them"
- nceqs3 5y agoI was talking about the people who attend the conferences. I get that the celebs are paid.
- nkrisc 5y agoThe same reason people fall for Nigerian prince scams: their judgement is clouded by greed or desperation. When you’re not greedy nor desperate and have no reason to get rich quickly, it’s very easy to see these scams for what they are. When you need or want to get rich quickly, you want to believe it’s real.
- birdyrooster 5y agoParticularly because he’s trying to scuttle reparations for ADOS with do-for-selferism with “save your money and you can overcome the racial wealth gap” when he’s getting checks from these scum suckers... Kevin preaching do-for-self: https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2563837/kevin-hart-has-a-message-for-fans-about-saving-money-and-how-he-found-success-with-saving https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2563837/kevin-hart-has-a-me...
- meken 5y agoThis is weird on so many levels. - The article Snowden linked is public. Presumably people already know about it? - I don’t know about the details of the case, but the host wasn’t found guilty. That seems relevant. - Snowden joined the conference just to call this guy out? Seems like a strange thing to do. Why not just not join the conference? Why did Snowden do this?
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- believeinskills 5y agoFor What?
- polytely 5y agoI mean if you want to prevent people from being scammed you should do it at the conference itself right? plus it is way more fun.
- meken 5y agoI guess I’m missing the part which indicates this is obviously a scam. I don’t know why people are attending this conference, but could anyone actually be getting value out of it? If so, then it just depends whether you find this conference ethically defensible, or not. Seems like people could differ on that.
- M2Ys4U 5y ago> I guess I’m missing the part which indicates this is obviously a scam. The host was really pressuring people to pay to join, even when his prospective customers didn't have the money: >Before Snowden joined, Tulsiani was trying to sell $47 tickets to a "VIP" session of the conference. While pitching the VIP session, Tulsiani repeatedly said, “If there was a gun to your head saying you have to find [the money]...you’ll find it,” included as a response to an audience member who said in the group chat that she couldn’t afford the entry fee. That's not necessarily a scam, but it sure is a massively unethical business model.
- thedudeabides5 5y agoLegend.
- not1ofU 5y agoPosted one day ago... boooo https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26987074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26987074
- not1ofU 5y agono sir, they're saying "buuurns..."
- gus_massa 5y agoHere usually the idea is to link previous post only when they have a lot of discussion, or some small but very important discussion. It sucks when you post something and someone else post it again and get more traction, but it's difficult to avoid. The alternative is to block the post forever, that is also bad. The mods are trying to do something about it, but I guess it will not be soon, you probably have to wait a few years ... (It seams easy, but it's a hard problem. The easy checks probably have very bad corner cases, and in these cases they make the changes slowly, very slowly. Don't hold your breath.)
- ilaksh 5y agoIf it's posted multiple times within a certain window then the original poster could be awarded the points. With maybe some minor bonus for the person who revived it (or used their network to promote it or whatever _coincidentally_ made it wildly more successful).
- not1ofU 5y agoThank you both for responding. It was more or less a tounge in cheek "boo", which is why I responded with the simpsons quote instead of deleting after downvotes. In fairness, a better worded title might have improved my submission.
- gus_massa 5y agoIIRC, from a recent comment by dang, during the first 8 hours the reposts are merged and the upvotes go to the first submitter. But from time to time the mods make changes without warning, so in the future it may 4 hours, or 12 hours, or whatever.
- thecrash 5y agoIt's just awesome what a keen sense Snowden has for this kind of operation. He has an intuitive understanding that information is only one component of power - the other is the spectacle of how you present it. Blowing the whistle is not effective when you simply publish a blog post somewhere. It requires theatrics to establish credibility, interest, and to reach the right audience in a way that can't be ignored.
- ObserverNeutral 5y agoThis is maybe his first time when such tactic will be successful (maybe...we don't know if he managed to convince people to divest/not invest) The first time he did it, well it was not effective. It's not like people were not informed enough about war crimes. The Abu Grahib dossier had come out 3-4 years earlier. People perceive this sort of stuff as far away, don't want to look at it or just simply block out the information because they want to believe whatever they want to believe. Whistleblowing is ineffective to change the way a system operates. It solely make the system cover up better, and achieves the goal of having some heads roll (more often than not the responsible people for security and info compartmentization)
- escalt 5y agoSnowden didn't tell much about war crimes. He was the guy that unveiled just how large the NSAs operations are and what they are capable of. And it was very effective, because since then there was a big move towards encrypting all communications. Nowadays it's almost standard to have end to end encryption in messengers, and the majority of websites support https or are even https-only
- skinnymuch 5y agoSnowden isn’t what we think about with war crimes. Wikileaks is much more on that front. Snowden’s leaks were about the Patriot Act and surveillance state. Your last paragraph didn’t happen for any recent major leak - Wikileaks war crimes, Snowden. Hell did it even happen with the Panama leak? There was no large change towards transparency. The little I’ve heard, the same usual tax shelters and money hiding continued.
- ratsmack 5y ago>After Snowden's appearance, one of Tulsiani’s “millionaires,” Angelo Mylonakis, suggested “legal action” unless Snowden publicly apologized for his criticism. Some people just don't get that presenting factual information showing the unsavory history of some person is not criticism nor is it illegal.
- Jaygles 5y agoThey could very well fully understand. The business of confidence men and scammers is optics. They only need to appear legitimate to certain people to pull off their scams. The play is obvious here. For anyone on the fence after hearing Snowden, hearing someone even just suggest that what Snowden said was false to the point of illegality may re-convince them enough to be scammed. The people who fall for these scams hold cold hard facts as similar worth to baseless claims.
- bellyfullofbac 5y agoHah, "legal action". The response to that should be "You want to sue me? Go ahead an line up in the queue over there, behind 'The United States of America'.".
- whereis 5y agoOT, but does anyone know how much bitcoin, ethereum, and/or other cryptocurrencies Snowden is holding?
- Ariez 5y agoNo idea, but he does for some reason promote ZCash instead of Monero, and won't even speak of Monero, which is certainly odd.
- ilaksh 5y agoMaybe some people are taking advantage of the anonymity of Monero for illegitimate means. He might not really be against anonymous digital money, but he does have a reputation to protect. So maybe he has to draw the line somewhere. Or maybe he doesn't want to draw attention to Monero because he wants to protect it's utility.
- sbam 5y ago>Maybe some people are taking advantage of the anonymity of Monero for illegitimate means. Zcash focuses on anonymity too.
- ddoubleU 5y agoThough, from what I remember, zcash does not have full anonymity across all transactions, meaning that if you do sent anon one, you are visibly standing out from the other transactions (though if it's untraceable, it might not be a problem?). Compared to monero where all txs are anonymous. Something along these lines
- whereis 5y agomore interested in snowden's bitcoin and other altcoin holdings. "till the sun goes out" he said. that tells me hes a cryptocurrency billionaire. just asking so I can forward this to the Russian mafia to give to Putin. Putin will want his half of all of Snowden's cryptocurrency holdings. Thus, all who donated to Snowden likely donated to Putin.
- durnygbur 5y agoWhy anything real estate related, especially coming from Northern America, looks and smells so dodgy? Even right now I'm getting spam emails "You'll learn how to help homeowners in default & start collecting checks" while never having been even marginally interested in the topic.
- notacoward 5y agoBecause real estate is a key part of what distinguishes the haves from the have-nots. Get on the right side of the real estate world, as a landlord or lender, and you can make a lot of money for little effort (there is risk but Americans always think risk doesn't apply to them). Get on the wrong side, as a renter or borrower, and it's easy to get into a hole that it's hard to climb out of. In between are things like house flipping which involve aspects of both buying and selling but often also involve some deception such as cutting corners on "improvements" so the house looks good for sale but quickly falls apart. Rotten concrete, leaky roofs, that kind of thing. One favorite in my own town is to cut down a lot of trees to make room for a McMansion, then bury them on the property where they cause all sorts of problems from a few years to forever. Real estate in the US is too profitable to be anything but a grifters' game, and everyone else is well advised to keep their interactions to a minimum.
- pavel_lishin 5y agoBurying construction debris is popular, too: https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/mmbe4t/georgia_found_buried_construction_debris_in/ https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/mmbe4t/georgia...
- durnygbur 5y agoThe top grifter had simultanously become president and got banned on Twitter. Seriously Americans, please chill on your real estate investments.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> The top grifter had simultanously became president and got banned on Twitter. Well, “simultaneously” usually doesn’t apply to events that take place nearly four years apart, but otherwise, true.
- foobarbaz33 5y agoThis is so satisfying.
- dethos 5y agoThis gentleman deserves all the respect in the world.
- ksaj 5y agoI still remember Sunil hitting the news when he got caught, so I was a little surprised when I first heard he was doing this and trying to bring Snowden into it. If anything, I quite expected it to blow up spectacularly, and wasn't left disappointed. At least here in Canada, pretty much everybody who's ever heard of Sunil know he's a scammer. Even on sight. I guess he's preying on those who don't remember or are too young to remember.
- nzmsv 5y agoAlternative explanation: Snowden is getting ready for another important announcement and defeated a cardboard cutout of a scammer in order to increase his media exposure.