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I’m now in charge of Audacity [video]

173 points by mqus 5y ago

david_allison 5y ago
Another step on the road to having more UX and UI designers get involved with Open Source. It's really exciting to see! Especially happy to see Tantacrul delving into the history and mission of the project. It's one aspect that many UI/UX designers miss which causes massive amounts of wasted effort.
- guitarbill 5y ago
  Agreed. UX designers are a rare breed in open source, and Tantacrul is a treasure - as is Audacity. I'm also hopeful of the approach. The video is already very respectful of the existing work, UI, and workflows, which is promising.
  - AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
    Not enough people appreciate how stable, reliable, and battle-tested Audacity is as an audio production tool. The fact that it's free software only magnifies its usefulness within the audio space. In a former job capacity, I personally oversaw a group of >40,000 individuals all over the globe, who relied on Audacity to make a living. With Tantacrul on the UX side of things, my hope is that nothing too radical is done to negate the expectations of these users, as many of them are not tech-savvy and learning a new interface for them is basically the same as learning a new tool altogether.
    - gtirloni 5y ago
      Would you mind sharing what's the company/project? It seems very interesting.
      - AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
        In a past life I was the head of audio production for the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), Audible.com's online production service for independent authors and narrators. My job was to help ensure success for the at-home narrators who had DIY recording rigs setup at their home office.
        gtirloni 5y ago
        Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
    - jabroni_salad 5y ago
      I do not think you will be seeing any sweeping revamp if that is what you're concerned about. Tantacrul is really focused on smoothing pain points and removing ambiguity. The changes we have seen from him in MuseScore so far have been small but welcome.
    - formerly_proven 5y ago
      Audacity has a lot of low hanging fruits in the UX department. E.g. every single one of these "You have not selected anything to apply [feature X] to. Try pressing Ctrl+A to select everything and try again!" dialogs should just not exist (if nothing is selected, apply to all, done), or when exporting to a format which doesn't do separate tracks and there are multiple tracks in the same channel, Audacity just silently merges them (throwing away data). When recording while a track exists there's some way (outside of punch-and-roll, I think) to have it record into the same track again with no warning, throwing away data. Scrolling is vertical for some reason, even though horizontal scroll is the primary scrolling timelines.
- interestica 5y ago
  It's great news! The little playful jab on the magnifying glasses suggests we could see some great UI/UX fixes.
- cardanome 5y ago
  While I am sure Tantacrul will do a great job, as seen by his interest in learning more about the history and existing user base of the software first, I do want to disagree in a more general way. Personally I hate UI changes and I want Audacity to change as little as possible in that regard. It is not a tool that I use regularly so I want to be able to not use it for a year or two, get back to it and still find the same familiar interface. That is not to say that there are not many sensible changes that could be and maybe should be made to Audacity. I am just saying that stability is far more valuable for me. I rather wish for more stability in software than better UI.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    > Personally I hate UI changes and I want Audacity to change as little as possible in that regard. It is not a tool that I use regularly so I want to be able to not use it for a year or two, get back to it and still find the same familiar interface. And here is the beauty of non-web based software, you can guarantee that you always will! Same executable on your computer represents the same program launched, forever. Things don't change under the hood without you saying "yes", so if you want the UI to remain the same forever, you're welcome to. If you later want to upgrade, you can, but you'll never be forced to.
    - jfrunyon 5y ago
      Except that "just don't upgrade" is a very bad idea.
      - faeyanpiraat 5y ago
        Why?
        sayhar 5y ago
        Security patches, for one thing, right?
        5y ago
junon 5y ago
I love Tantacrul, weird but welcome to see him on the front page.
- pastrami_panda 5y ago
  I never encountered his chanel before so I'm also glad, that bit about 6 magnifying glasses alone made me instantly subscribe haha!
  - orls 5y ago
    His video on Sibelius is highly recommended if you want more UX laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKx1wnXClcI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKx1wnXClcI
    - tclancy 5y ago
      That may have been the fastest I ever hit Subscribe. Thanks for that!
    - keeganpoppen 5y ago
      ok that might just be the best video on all of youtube
    - junon 5y ago
      This is what made me subscribe too. I'm glad to see others enjoy it - it's a very well done video.
  - wombatmobile 5y ago
    I didn't know Audacity is an actual city, where Auda lives.
dfabulich 5y ago
His Audacity has a bunch of features that aren't familiar to me, including a De-Esser and a De-Clicker. Are those plugins?
- neltnerb 5y ago
  Yes, there are hilarious numbers of plugin audio filters, you probably just need to install the extras. I know on my system they got installed by default but I have seen them absent before on bare bones installs.
- amazing_stories 5y ago
  Those are generally for editing vocals. A de-esser is a narrow band compressor to used to soften the "s" in speech. De-clickers remove transient sounds, like the sound of your lips opening/closing between words.
Joeboy 5y ago
First thing on my wishlist would be something less weird than shift+function keys for zooming.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  How we made it to 2021 without having per-application rebindable keys built in to our OSs is just one of many mysteries of how personal computing came to suck I guess.
  - remram 5y ago
    My OS has that (KDE) sort of. Non-KDE apps don't use it because it's OS-dependent. You'd need all platforms to have this and then a multiplatform abstraction layer to exist before it became useful... and by useful I mean: you can start rewriting every application.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      Not really, you just need something like AutoHotKey that can intercept and re-write key events. Since the OS is responsible for delivering key events, the application's cooperation is not required. If you ask me, multiplatform abstraction layers are part of the problem with this industry, not the solution.
      - remram 5y ago
        That might work, but then the OS needs up-to-date profiles for each application (to know what to map events to), and changing the shortcut in the application's own settings would break everything (in addition to showing the wrong thing in the first place).
        deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
  - blackshaw 5y ago
cbmuser 5y ago
Great. Could you add support for big-endian systems, please? > https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/multimedia:apps/audacity/openSUSE_Factory_PowerPC/ppc64 https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/multimedia...
alexvoda 5y ago
I am very glad Tantacrul is now involved with Audacity. This is great news.
dang 5y ago
The Audacity of past threads: Audacity 3.0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26496887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26496887 - March 2021 (219 comments) Audacity 2.2.0 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15621681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15621681 - Nov 2017 (146 comments) The Future of Audacity, Interview with the Team - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9392035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9392035 - April 2015 (28 comments) Removing background noise in Audacity by differencing stereo channels - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6158058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6158058 - Aug 2013 (13 comments) Audacity 2.0 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3714766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3714766 - March 2012 (63 comments) Learning a new language with Audacity - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2962284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2962284 - Sept 2011 (9 comments)
remram 5y ago
I was distracted a bit by his screen capture. Is he... editing an audio file sample by sample? Is that a thing people do? I assumed people worked from samples, recordings, and primitives like sine/square waves and noise, and applied filters...
- Slow_Hand 5y ago
  In music production, mixers/producers will sometimes zoom down to sample-scale and draw out a click or a pop from a bad edit that wasn't properly smoothed. Otherwise, no. I wouldn't say it's common for audio editors to draw samples.
- amazing_stories 5y ago
  It's not a common operation, but this is a massively important feature to have. Occasionally I clean up audio that's in such horrible condition I have to edit individual samples because there are no plugins that can do it automatically. For example: a pop or skip on a vinyl record. Sometimes you have to remove those by hand.
shaicoleman 5y ago
Can you please fix Audacity 3.0 under Linux with HiDPI displays? The interface is completely broken for me. https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/503#issuecomment-802252716 https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/503#issuecomment...
nuclx 5y ago
It's a great tool, though a feature I'm frequently missing is the ability to display a sample value in the original domain i.e. as int16.
beigeoak 5y ago
I was introduced to Tantacrul via his video on MuseScore. I was thoroughly unimpressed by it and was taken aback by the things he chose to focus on and give priority to. A lot of the video felt like it was missing the forest for the trees and felt like more like a person trying to say "Did you notice this? I did!" rather than focusing on the actual big picture. At one point he says that software should try to build on familiarity and frameworks that the user would be used to and find intuitive. Later on, he completely misses how presets are represented and complains that it's unintuitive. The amount of time he chose to spend on iconography was mind-boggling, and his specific comparison of of iconography to typography was tenuous at best. Overall I feel that the lack of of FOSS UX devs is what Tantacrul is taking advantage of. His slick videos seem compelling and correct, but are extremely surface level.
- guitarbill 5y ago
  The MuseScore video is part entertainment, part critique. Personally, I don't think it's fair to dismiss it so quickly. He's very knowledgable in the field of music notation software, and is in a smaller niche of having used several of them professionally (most people stick to one or two). In another video on Dorico [0], he did user testing. So he's not just pulling things out his ass. It's easy to hate. MuseScore is better due to his involvement. The FOSS community should be more welcoming to UX devs in general, and especially who have a methodical approach and actually listen. Maybe wait and reserve judgement. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8
- medlyyy 5y ago
  So, you have experience in UI/UX yourself then to say this authoritatively?
- TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago
  The iconography part is a bit long and excessive, but as an uninvested party, the rest of his MuseScore video feels like good user interface criticism. It may seem like a lot of little nitpicks, but “death by a thousand cuts” seems like the relevant phrase, and he clearly understands how someone would want to use the software, because he is part of the target audience (composers).
xyzzy_plugh 5y ago
I've always found the Audacity UX to be cumbersome. I hope they make some big changes. I'm not super optimistic, though. If your needs are simple, I find mhwaveedit[0] much more pleasant to use than Audacity. It also ships with a ton of high quality filters. Really nice piece of software. 0: https://github.com/magnush/mhwaveedit https://github.com/magnush/mhwaveedit
- phantomread 5y ago
  Definitely an instance of "to each their own" for me, starting a project in Audacity was refreshingly straightforward the first time I tried it. The non-destructive effect stacking mentioned in the video sounds pretty awesome. The project you mentioned seems nice and clean, but looks like it's Linux only (specifically GTK2 only). For me that would limit the ability to share editing projects with others way too much, since so many are on Windows. Also, the 8 track limit might be frustrating for musicians.
erwald 5y ago
MuseScore is such a great piece of free software, I assume this will be beneficial for Audacity!
coziestSoup 5y ago
Somewhat off-topic, but I like the idea of announcing a major change in a project like this through video. It really provides the context and some background of what’s going on and why the change is happening. Granted, tentacrul seems like an established YouTuber, and this was probably the natural way for him to announce this, but I do hope more people/projects adopt this approach.
- johannes1234321 5y ago
  Producing a tolerable video is a lot of work. Many projects can't do that. And yes, in this video it was nice to see the people, but just for information text is way better to scan over and alter refer to or quote.
ergot_vacation 5y ago
Audacity is a simple tool that does simple things quickly, efficiently, and for free. That's why it's popular. Generally I wince whenever people go monkeying around with tools like Audacity, because their instinct is to "improve" it by adding layers and layers of new features when simplicity was always the core appeal. That said, Tantacrul seems to have his priorities straight. It sounds like he's going into this carefully and thoughtfully, which is a good sign. And Audacity does have one glaring problem I'll readily admit to: it's not simple ENOUGH. There's a lot of UI/UX etc that could be cleaned up, re-orged and better labelled so that people can actually find what they're looking for and use it more easily. As-is, the program can be a little thorny when you're first getting into it.
jpindar 5y ago
I would just like to point out that the UI for Audacity Portable is somewhat better than the regular Audacity, mainly in terms of the menu structure and wording. If you like Audacity but find the menus awkward, try Audacity Portable.
knlam 5y ago
I would like to say thank you to all the contributors of Audacity. Thanks to your work, we have a treasure like Audacity

173 points by mqus 5y ago

Another step on the road to having more UX and UI designers get involved with Open Source. It's really exciting to see! Especially happy to see Tantacrul delving into the history and mission of the project. It's one aspect that many UI/UX designers miss which causes massive amounts of wasted effort.

guitarbill 5y ago
Agreed. UX designers are a rare breed in open source, and Tantacrul is a treasure - as is Audacity. I'm also hopeful of the approach. The video is already very respectful of the existing work, UI, and workflows, which is promising.
- AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
  Not enough people appreciate how stable, reliable, and battle-tested Audacity is as an audio production tool. The fact that it's free software only magnifies its usefulness within the audio space. In a former job capacity, I personally oversaw a group of >40,000 individuals all over the globe, who relied on Audacity to make a living. With Tantacrul on the UX side of things, my hope is that nothing too radical is done to negate the expectations of these users, as many of them are not tech-savvy and learning a new interface for them is basically the same as learning a new tool altogether.
  - gtirloni 5y ago
    Would you mind sharing what's the company/project? It seems very interesting.
    - AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
      In a past life I was the head of audio production for the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), Audible.com's online production service for independent authors and narrators. My job was to help ensure success for the at-home narrators who had DIY recording rigs setup at their home office.
      - gtirloni 5y ago
        Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
  - jabroni_salad 5y ago
    I do not think you will be seeing any sweeping revamp if that is what you're concerned about. Tantacrul is really focused on smoothing pain points and removing ambiguity. The changes we have seen from him in MuseScore so far have been small but welcome.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    Audacity has a lot of low hanging fruits in the UX department. E.g. every single one of these "You have not selected anything to apply [feature X] to. Try pressing Ctrl+A to select everything and try again!" dialogs should just not exist (if nothing is selected, apply to all, done), or when exporting to a format which doesn't do separate tracks and there are multiple tracks in the same channel, Audacity just silently merges them (throwing away data). When recording while a track exists there's some way (outside of punch-and-roll, I think) to have it record into the same track again with no warning, throwing away data. Scrolling is vertical for some reason, even though horizontal scroll is the primary scrolling timelines.
interestica 5y ago
It's great news! The little playful jab on the magnifying glasses suggests we could see some great UI/UX fixes.
cardanome 5y ago
While I am sure Tantacrul will do a great job, as seen by his interest in learning more about the history and existing user base of the software first, I do want to disagree in a more general way. Personally I hate UI changes and I want Audacity to change as little as possible in that regard. It is not a tool that I use regularly so I want to be able to not use it for a year or two, get back to it and still find the same familiar interface. That is not to say that there are not many sensible changes that could be and maybe should be made to Audacity. I am just saying that stability is far more valuable for me. I rather wish for more stability in software than better UI.
- capableweb 5y ago
  > Personally I hate UI changes and I want Audacity to change as little as possible in that regard. It is not a tool that I use regularly so I want to be able to not use it for a year or two, get back to it and still find the same familiar interface. And here is the beauty of non-web based software, you can guarantee that you always will! Same executable on your computer represents the same program launched, forever. Things don't change under the hood without you saying "yes", so if you want the UI to remain the same forever, you're welcome to. If you later want to upgrade, you can, but you'll never be forced to.
  - jfrunyon 5y ago
    Except that "just don't upgrade" is a very bad idea.
    - faeyanpiraat 5y ago
      Why?
      - sayhar 5y ago
        Security patches, for one thing, right?
        5y ago

junon 5y ago

I love Tantacrul, weird but welcome to see him on the front page.

pastrami_panda 5y ago
I never encountered his chanel before so I'm also glad, that bit about 6 magnifying glasses alone made me instantly subscribe haha!
- orls 5y ago
  His video on Sibelius is highly recommended if you want more UX laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKx1wnXClcI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKx1wnXClcI
  - tclancy 5y ago
    That may have been the fastest I ever hit Subscribe. Thanks for that!
  - keeganpoppen 5y ago
    ok that might just be the best video on all of youtube
  - junon 5y ago
    This is what made me subscribe too. I'm glad to see others enjoy it - it's a very well done video.
- wombatmobile 5y ago
  I didn't know Audacity is an actual city, where Auda lives.

dfabulich 5y ago

His Audacity has a bunch of features that aren't familiar to me, including a De-Esser and a De-Clicker. Are those plugins?

neltnerb 5y ago
Yes, there are hilarious numbers of plugin audio filters, you probably just need to install the extras. I know on my system they got installed by default but I have seen them absent before on bare bones installs.
amazing_stories 5y ago
Those are generally for editing vocals. A de-esser is a narrow band compressor to used to soften the "s" in speech. De-clickers remove transient sounds, like the sound of your lips opening/closing between words.

Joeboy 5y ago

First thing on my wishlist would be something less weird than shift+function keys for zooming.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
How we made it to 2021 without having per-application rebindable keys built in to our OSs is just one of many mysteries of how personal computing came to suck I guess.
- remram 5y ago
  My OS has that (KDE) sort of. Non-KDE apps don't use it because it's OS-dependent. You'd need all platforms to have this and then a multiplatform abstraction layer to exist before it became useful... and by useful I mean: you can start rewriting every application.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    Not really, you just need something like AutoHotKey that can intercept and re-write key events. Since the OS is responsible for delivering key events, the application's cooperation is not required. If you ask me, multiplatform abstraction layers are part of the problem with this industry, not the solution.
    - remram 5y ago
      That might work, but then the OS needs up-to-date profiles for each application (to know what to map events to), and changing the shortcut in the application's own settings would break everything (in addition to showing the wrong thing in the first place).
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
- blackshaw 5y ago

cbmuser 5y ago

Great. Could you add support for big-endian systems, please? > https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/multimedia:apps/audacity/openSUSE_Factory_PowerPC/ppc64 https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/multimedia...

alexvoda 5y ago

I am very glad Tantacrul is now involved with Audacity. This is great news.

dang 5y ago

The Audacity of past threads: Audacity 3.0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26496887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26496887 - March 2021 (219 comments) Audacity 2.2.0 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15621681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15621681 - Nov 2017 (146 comments) The Future of Audacity, Interview with the Team - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9392035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9392035 - April 2015 (28 comments) Removing background noise in Audacity by differencing stereo channels - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6158058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6158058 - Aug 2013 (13 comments) Audacity 2.0 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3714766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3714766 - March 2012 (63 comments) Learning a new language with Audacity - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2962284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2962284 - Sept 2011 (9 comments)

remram 5y ago

I was distracted a bit by his screen capture. Is he... editing an audio file sample by sample? Is that a thing people do? I assumed people worked from samples, recordings, and primitives like sine/square waves and noise, and applied filters...

Slow_Hand 5y ago
In music production, mixers/producers will sometimes zoom down to sample-scale and draw out a click or a pop from a bad edit that wasn't properly smoothed. Otherwise, no. I wouldn't say it's common for audio editors to draw samples.
amazing_stories 5y ago
It's not a common operation, but this is a massively important feature to have. Occasionally I clean up audio that's in such horrible condition I have to edit individual samples because there are no plugins that can do it automatically. For example: a pop or skip on a vinyl record. Sometimes you have to remove those by hand.

shaicoleman 5y ago

Can you please fix Audacity 3.0 under Linux with HiDPI displays? The interface is completely broken for me. https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/503#issuecomment-802252716 https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/503#issuecomment...

nuclx 5y ago

It's a great tool, though a feature I'm frequently missing is the ability to display a sample value in the original domain i.e. as int16.

beigeoak 5y ago

I was introduced to Tantacrul via his video on MuseScore. I was thoroughly unimpressed by it and was taken aback by the things he chose to focus on and give priority to. A lot of the video felt like it was missing the forest for the trees and felt like more like a person trying to say "Did you notice this? I did!" rather than focusing on the actual big picture. At one point he says that software should try to build on familiarity and frameworks that the user would be used to and find intuitive. Later on, he completely misses how presets are represented and complains that it's unintuitive. The amount of time he chose to spend on iconography was mind-boggling, and his specific comparison of of iconography to typography was tenuous at best. Overall I feel that the lack of of FOSS UX devs is what Tantacrul is taking advantage of. His slick videos seem compelling and correct, but are extremely surface level.

guitarbill 5y ago
The MuseScore video is part entertainment, part critique. Personally, I don't think it's fair to dismiss it so quickly. He's very knowledgable in the field of music notation software, and is in a smaller niche of having used several of them professionally (most people stick to one or two). In another video on Dorico [0], he did user testing. So he's not just pulling things out his ass. It's easy to hate. MuseScore is better due to his involvement. The FOSS community should be more welcoming to UX devs in general, and especially who have a methodical approach and actually listen. Maybe wait and reserve judgement. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8
medlyyy 5y ago
So, you have experience in UI/UX yourself then to say this authoritatively?
TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago
The iconography part is a bit long and excessive, but as an uninvested party, the rest of his MuseScore video feels like good user interface criticism. It may seem like a lot of little nitpicks, but “death by a thousand cuts” seems like the relevant phrase, and he clearly understands how someone would want to use the software, because he is part of the target audience (composers).

xyzzy_plugh 5y ago

I've always found the Audacity UX to be cumbersome. I hope they make some big changes. I'm not super optimistic, though. If your needs are simple, I find mhwaveedit[0] much more pleasant to use than Audacity. It also ships with a ton of high quality filters. Really nice piece of software. 0: https://github.com/magnush/mhwaveedit https://github.com/magnush/mhwaveedit

phantomread 5y ago
Definitely an instance of "to each their own" for me, starting a project in Audacity was refreshingly straightforward the first time I tried it. The non-destructive effect stacking mentioned in the video sounds pretty awesome. The project you mentioned seems nice and clean, but looks like it's Linux only (specifically GTK2 only). For me that would limit the ability to share editing projects with others way too much, since so many are on Windows. Also, the 8 track limit might be frustrating for musicians.

erwald 5y ago

MuseScore is such a great piece of free software, I assume this will be beneficial for Audacity!

coziestSoup 5y ago

Somewhat off-topic, but I like the idea of announcing a major change in a project like this through video. It really provides the context and some background of what’s going on and why the change is happening. Granted, tentacrul seems like an established YouTuber, and this was probably the natural way for him to announce this, but I do hope more people/projects adopt this approach.

johannes1234321 5y ago
Producing a tolerable video is a lot of work. Many projects can't do that. And yes, in this video it was nice to see the people, but just for information text is way better to scan over and alter refer to or quote.

ergot_vacation 5y ago

Audacity is a simple tool that does simple things quickly, efficiently, and for free. That's why it's popular. Generally I wince whenever people go monkeying around with tools like Audacity, because their instinct is to "improve" it by adding layers and layers of new features when simplicity was always the core appeal. That said, Tantacrul seems to have his priorities straight. It sounds like he's going into this carefully and thoughtfully, which is a good sign. And Audacity does have one glaring problem I'll readily admit to: it's not simple ENOUGH. There's a lot of UI/UX etc that could be cleaned up, re-orged and better labelled so that people can actually find what they're looking for and use it more easily. As-is, the program can be a little thorny when you're first getting into it.

jpindar 5y ago

I would just like to point out that the UI for Audacity Portable is somewhat better than the regular Audacity, mainly in terms of the menu structure and wording. If you like Audacity but find the menus awkward, try Audacity Portable.

knlam 5y ago

I would like to say thank you to all the contributors of Audacity. Thanks to your work, we have a treasure like Audacity