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Can't trust the senior managers of one of the largest revenue generating companies on the plant? With probably the highest Revenue per employee ever in the hist

by mox1 5y ago

Can't trust the senior managers of one of the largest revenue generating companies on the plant? With probably the highest Revenue per employee ever in the history of modern business (if not highest, up there). I dunno, seems like they are doing ok at their jobs....

newsclues 5y ago
They seem like they are doing a good job because we don’t have anything better to compare to. America is one of the best countries in the world, therefore its leadership has to be smart and competent.
pembrook 5y ago
98%+ of Google’s senior managers today weren’t around when the company originally pioneered and grew the business lines that pay those manager’s salaries. They didn’t build the ship, they’re just passengers. Hence why most companies fall out of the S&P 500 as quickly as they rise. If you think Google is going to stay on top forever you’re in for a rude awakening.
- nunez 5y ago
  From what I saw when I was there, a large part of the top brass were there since before IPO...
andrewprock 5y ago
No, you cannot trust management at google. This site is clear evidence of that: https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ I can think of no product at google that is not overshadowed by their policy of non-support. The culture that leads to their innovation also informs trust. If there is any such thing as "too innovative" then google is it. This is why Azure is doing so much better than google in cloud computing despite the fact that google invented modern cloud computing. People trust Microsoft to support their products.
danaris 5y ago
Statistically speaking, I wouldn't trust the senior managers of any company to genuinely know what measures will improve their business over the long term. Even leaving aside the depressingly large percentage who are fundamentally incompetent at managing (eg, the ones who think "yell louder and louder until people do what you demand" is an effective management style), a huge number of management at all levels are indoctrinated to believe that the next quarter's numbers, and hence the stock price, are the #1 priority at all times. And even among those who are genuinely trying to see that the business does well for years to come, rather than the next three months and then who cares, even among the ones of them who are genuinely decent at managing a product, far too few understand the positive relationship between how you treat your employees and what you get out of them. Because we've spent decades in this country being sold the idea that good management means forcing workers to work more hours, under tighter control, because "workers" are stupid, lazy, and/or malicious, and it is "managers" who really know how to do things right, by the very definition of their jobs.

by mox1 5y ago

newsclues 5y ago

They seem like they are doing a good job because we don’t have anything better to compare to. America is one of the best countries in the world, therefore its leadership has to be smart and competent.

pembrook 5y ago

98%+ of Google’s senior managers today weren’t around when the company originally pioneered and grew the business lines that pay those manager’s salaries. They didn’t build the ship, they’re just passengers. Hence why most companies fall out of the S&P 500 as quickly as they rise. If you think Google is going to stay on top forever you’re in for a rude awakening.

nunez 5y ago
From what I saw when I was there, a large part of the top brass were there since before IPO...

andrewprock 5y ago

No, you cannot trust management at google. This site is clear evidence of that: https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ I can think of no product at google that is not overshadowed by their policy of non-support. The culture that leads to their innovation also informs trust. If there is any such thing as "too innovative" then google is it. This is why Azure is doing so much better than google in cloud computing despite the fact that google invented modern cloud computing. People trust Microsoft to support their products.

danaris 5y ago

Statistically speaking, I wouldn't trust the senior managers of any company to genuinely know what measures will improve their business over the long term. Even leaving aside the depressingly large percentage who are fundamentally incompetent at managing (eg, the ones who think "yell louder and louder until people do what you demand" is an effective management style), a huge number of management at all levels are indoctrinated to believe that the next quarter's numbers, and hence the stock price, are the #1 priority at all times. And even among those who are genuinely trying to see that the business does well for years to come, rather than the next three months and then who cares, even among the ones of them who are genuinely decent at managing a product, far too few understand the positive relationship between how you treat your employees and what you get out of them. Because we've spent decades in this country being sold the idea that good management means forcing workers to work more hours, under tighter control, because "workers" are stupid, lazy, and/or malicious, and it is "managers" who really know how to do things right, by the very definition of their jobs.