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Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rust, so I should probably just lean into Rust.

door101 6y ago
Facebook is one of the sponsors of the Python Software Foundation too. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/
- benatkin 6y ago
  Somehow they've managed to stay out of the news, while Rust has been endorsing BigCo's regularly for a while now...
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    What does it mean for Rust to be endorsing BigCos?
    - dangerbird2 6y ago
      Not much other than reflecting the reality that BigCos are using rust in production, and as a result, have a vested interest in the project's governance. This is true for pretty much every popular language of software with an open governance model.
    - DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
      It means any Rust dev will be even less likely to open their mouth when Facebook does some horrible shit than what they already are.
  - lacker 6y ago
    The Rust Foundation is really new, it just started in February. That's probably why you've been hearing a lot of news about corporate Rust sponsorships recently, or if not "a lot" then more than you've heard about, say, corporate Python sponsorships.
  - pdpi 6y ago
    It’s more the other way around — big cos are endorsing Rust and joining the nascent foundation. It’s perfectly reasonable for a three month old foundation for a popular new language to be in the news quite a bit, and for its sponsors to enjoy the attention that goes with it
xiphias2 6y ago
https://www.python.org/sponsors/application/ https://www.python.org/sponsors/application/ Meet with the PSF Board of Directors Opportunity to meet with the PSF Board of Directors to discuss a topic of your choosing. The health and sustainability of our community is important to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted. For visionary sponsors: Meet with the Python Steering Council Opportunity to meet with the Steering Council to discuss technical aspects of Python or feedback you may have, or just a Q&A with the Steering Council. The health and sustainability of Python is critical to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/
- qlfail 6y ago
  I'm sure the "visionary" sponsors represent "community" needs perfectly! Translation: "Buy yourself into an obedient hiring pool controlled by the Steering Council."
fsociety 6y ago
Facebook contributes a ton to the Linux and Python communities as well, by this logic you shouldn’t use either. Thinking that infrastructure engineers have direct influence over the product is wrong. Instead they work at Facebook because it is a good means to being paid lots of money to contribute to open source. Btw, getting out of us vs. them mentality will form a healthier community and result in more positive changes. You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  > You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there. I disagree. It's this behavior and lack of disinfectant (sunlight) that allows companies to get away with the amount of crimes against humanity they do. Saying "Tech" isn't political, or "I'm just an engineer somebody else is in charge" is how horror happens.
  - fsociety 6y ago
    I never said "Tech" isn't political, or that "I'm just an engineer somebody else is in charge". Both are true and we best take time to think of the moral implications of our work. What I am saying, is that you should not generalize people just because they worked or currently work at a big tech company. This is as much a cognitive bias as thinking a company like Facebook only does good. You have no clue why they work there, what they work on, or who they are.
tjpnz 6y ago
>It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. As someone who already views the Facebook brand as a toxic waste dump this won't do anything to change my mind. If they want to sponsor Rust more power to them. It's not as if it's going to change anything for the average user.

door101 6y ago

Facebook is one of the sponsors of the Python Software Foundation too. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

benatkin 6y ago
Somehow they've managed to stay out of the news, while Rust has been endorsing BigCo's regularly for a while now...
- cortesoft 6y ago
  What does it mean for Rust to be endorsing BigCos?
  - dangerbird2 6y ago
    Not much other than reflecting the reality that BigCos are using rust in production, and as a result, have a vested interest in the project's governance. This is true for pretty much every popular language of software with an open governance model.
  - DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
    It means any Rust dev will be even less likely to open their mouth when Facebook does some horrible shit than what they already are.
- lacker 6y ago
  The Rust Foundation is really new, it just started in February. That's probably why you've been hearing a lot of news about corporate Rust sponsorships recently, or if not "a lot" then more than you've heard about, say, corporate Python sponsorships.
- pdpi 6y ago
  It’s more the other way around — big cos are endorsing Rust and joining the nascent foundation. It’s perfectly reasonable for a three month old foundation for a popular new language to be in the news quite a bit, and for its sponsors to enjoy the attention that goes with it

xiphias2 6y ago

https://www.python.org/sponsors/application/ https://www.python.org/sponsors/application/ Meet with the PSF Board of Directors Opportunity to meet with the PSF Board of Directors to discuss a topic of your choosing. The health and sustainability of our community is important to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted. For visionary sponsors: Meet with the Python Steering Council Opportunity to meet with the Steering Council to discuss technical aspects of Python or feedback you may have, or just a Q&A with the Steering Council. The health and sustainability of Python is critical to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

qlfail 6y ago
I'm sure the "visionary" sponsors represent "community" needs perfectly! Translation: "Buy yourself into an obedient hiring pool controlled by the Steering Council."

fsociety 6y ago

Facebook contributes a ton to the Linux and Python communities as well, by this logic you shouldn’t use either. Thinking that infrastructure engineers have direct influence over the product is wrong. Instead they work at Facebook because it is a good means to being paid lots of money to contribute to open source. Btw, getting out of us vs. them mentality will form a healthier community and result in more positive changes. You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there. I disagree. It's this behavior and lack of disinfectant (sunlight) that allows companies to get away with the amount of crimes against humanity they do. Saying "Tech" isn't political, or "I'm just an engineer somebody else is in charge" is how horror happens.
- fsociety 6y ago
  I never said "Tech" isn't political, or that "I'm just an engineer somebody else is in charge". Both are true and we best take time to think of the moral implications of our work. What I am saying, is that you should not generalize people just because they worked or currently work at a big tech company. This is as much a cognitive bias as thinking a company like Facebook only does good. You have no clue why they work there, what they work on, or who they are.

tjpnz 6y ago

>It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. As someone who already views the Facebook brand as a toxic waste dump this won't do anything to change my mind. If they want to sponsor Rust more power to them. It's not as if it's going to change anything for the average user.