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Is there a way we can detect these people and not hire them? It takes enough restraint to refrain from commenting on rampant virtue signalling on LinkedIn and I

Is there a way we can detect these people and not hire them? It takes enough restraint to refrain from commenting on rampant virtue signalling on LinkedIn and I often fail. Having to deal with it at work would be a step too far.

logicchains 5y ago
How about something like, ask their opinion on a contentious technical issue (like dynamic vs static typing). Then, after they've finished answering, ask them to argue sincerely for the opposite viewpoint, and see if they can. A common trait among cancel culture types is they're unwilling to hear/consider the perspectives of people who disagree with them, so they wouldn't be able to fairly present the opposing argument. Another thing is to make it explicit company policy that people's non-work activities cannnot in any way affect their performance evaluation at work, to disincentivise cancel cuture behaviour. I think in some European countries this is even part of labor law (so a company can't e.g. fire a worker for hearing he went out drinking heavily on the weekend).
- steve_gh 5y ago
  > I think in some European countries this is even part of labor law (so a company can't e.g. fire a worker for hearing he went out drinking heavily on the weekend). That would depend. The industry I work in (infrastructure management) is very H&S focused, so if you weren't completely sober and able to work safely on Monday morning you would be at best sent home, and at worst fired.
- thinkingemote 5y ago
  I initially liked the idea of empathy tests, however I'm not sure if it's a global personality variable - that someone might be emphatic to someone else and not be open to other technological viewpoints. I now think that it's not empathy that's missing. The woke are able to empathize with many people. It's primarily that they believe certain others are not actually people and worthy of their empathy. Bigotry. Othering. Perhaps questions about Ethical Source licensing might be rewarding? Or talking about types of users?
Y_Y 5y ago
Probably not, since it would inevitably be a proxy for some protected classes and would appear as an unfair hiring bias.
emerged 5y ago
I simply unfriended everyone online who virtue signals and/or engages in hostile politics. That includes some family members. If asked, it’s simple enough to explain calmly and honestly.
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  That sounds a lot like you restricting the viewpoint diversity of your social circle.
  - axiosgunnar 5y ago
    Possibly, but if it saves his mental health...?
  - krageon 5y ago
    Sure, but then again viewpoint diversity isn't a universal good to be chased at the expense of everything else :)
    - thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
      But by the standards set down by their post at the top of this tree, callamdelaney wouldn't hire them.
  - emerged 5y ago
    I just don’t use social media for “viewpoint diversity” — I don’t use it to discuss politics or morals at all. It isn’t an effective venue. So it’s best IMO to remove the nodes who are using it for those purposes rather than get sucked into the vortex.

logicchains 5y ago

How about something like, ask their opinion on a contentious technical issue (like dynamic vs static typing). Then, after they've finished answering, ask them to argue sincerely for the opposite viewpoint, and see if they can. A common trait among cancel culture types is they're unwilling to hear/consider the perspectives of people who disagree with them, so they wouldn't be able to fairly present the opposing argument. Another thing is to make it explicit company policy that people's non-work activities cannnot in any way affect their performance evaluation at work, to disincentivise cancel cuture behaviour. I think in some European countries this is even part of labor law (so a company can't e.g. fire a worker for hearing he went out drinking heavily on the weekend).

steve_gh 5y ago
> I think in some European countries this is even part of labor law (so a company can't e.g. fire a worker for hearing he went out drinking heavily on the weekend). That would depend. The industry I work in (infrastructure management) is very H&S focused, so if you weren't completely sober and able to work safely on Monday morning you would be at best sent home, and at worst fired.
thinkingemote 5y ago
I initially liked the idea of empathy tests, however I'm not sure if it's a global personality variable - that someone might be emphatic to someone else and not be open to other technological viewpoints. I now think that it's not empathy that's missing. The woke are able to empathize with many people. It's primarily that they believe certain others are not actually people and worthy of their empathy. Bigotry. Othering. Perhaps questions about Ethical Source licensing might be rewarding? Or talking about types of users?

Y_Y 5y ago

Probably not, since it would inevitably be a proxy for some protected classes and would appear as an unfair hiring bias.

emerged 5y ago

I simply unfriended everyone online who virtue signals and/or engages in hostile politics. That includes some family members. If asked, it’s simple enough to explain calmly and honestly.

thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
That sounds a lot like you restricting the viewpoint diversity of your social circle.
- axiosgunnar 5y ago
  Possibly, but if it saves his mental health...?
- krageon 5y ago
  Sure, but then again viewpoint diversity isn't a universal good to be chased at the expense of everything else :)
  - thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
    But by the standards set down by their post at the top of this tree, callamdelaney wouldn't hire them.
- emerged 5y ago
  I just don’t use social media for “viewpoint diversity” — I don’t use it to discuss politics or morals at all. It isn’t an effective venue. So it’s best IMO to remove the nodes who are using it for those purposes rather than get sucked into the vortex.