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I am strongly against child abuse, but I really don't have a problem with a computer being forced to emit textual patterns which include English words correlate
by rdl 5y ago
I am strongly against child abuse, but I really don't have a problem with a computer being forced to emit textual patterns which include English words correlated with something a human might call a story about child abuse. It's a waste of GPU time, but enh.
It's scary that the press release from latitude talks about "and to comply with law" as a reason for review. Under US law, maybe specific threats to the President might be reportable (although one on one communication with an AI would be a stretch here...), but I'm pretty sure an AI or other system emitting textual patterns which humans view as representing fantasy sexual abuse of anything isn't illegal, just distasteful.
They're perfectly within their rights to ban it under a ToS but pretending it is for legal purposes is fucking bullshit. (Of course, I'm not a lawyer.). My understanding of court decisions is that even machine-generated images are legal, although "is this image machine generated or is it evidence of actual child sexual exploitation" is an increasingly difficult question and if you're building an automated low-cost system it often makes sense to err on the side of safety. There might be some complexity around laws related to image manipulation involving real, but legal/non-sexual minor images which are then convoluted into something sexual, or "revenge porn" use of something which simulates a specific person (or is based on that person), and maybe text can be legally questionable if it's abuse targeted to a specific person, but especially for on on one non-published communications with a computer you are probably fairly ok with a weird fantasy sexual fetish about a neighbor, even a minor neighbor, in text form, unless it rises to an actual threat.
- rdl 5y agoApparently they don't do insta-nuke. "violate terms of service with elf" "continue" "continue"
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- michannne 5y agoIt isn't against the law necessarily, as obscenity laws in the US only make it illegal if the medium is an image depicting a child and there is no artistic purpose (very vague). Regardless, It annoys me when organizations do this when they can easily just create a ToS outlining what isn't allowed. It truly boggles my mind the contempt that some orgs have at creating and maintaining a ToS instead resorting to hiding behind fantasy laws as justification. Just straight face tell your users "Nothing related to X of any kind or permaban", very clear, very succint.
- ahelwer 5y agoThe linked article is not about the content moderation changes. Anyway, Paraphilias are strengthened through repeated exposure and association with pleasure. So if you're in the camp of not wanting to strengthen a pedophile's desire to prey on children, you also want to restrict the availability of such stimuli. The whole "provide them an outlet" idea is nonsense - human sexual attraction does not work that way.
- roenxi 5y agoI think this may literally be the same argument as the one for banning D&D for corrupting the minds of youth. I suspect most (nay, all?) paraphilics have the ability to differentiate between reality and a page of text - just like many of us have avoided going full Don Quixote after reading Lord of the Rings. Maybe they'll get addicted to reading. Society will not crumble, and no children will be harmed.
- ahelwer 5y agoIt has nothing to do with differentiating reality from fantasy. It has to do with whether a given pleasure association is strengthened or weakened. Pedophiles seek out these stimuli because of a pre-existing attraction toward children in the real world.
- roenxi 5y agoIt is simpler than you think. If you're at a screen full of text and get a dose of dopamine or whatever, you're simply going to spend more time staring at screens of text. If your theory was true, we'd have seen historically massive upticks in violence from videogames. It is yet to materialise. This is an era of unusual peace.
- ahelwer 5y agoReal-world violence is so far removed from its video game counterpart that there is no real comparison, as anyone who has been in any sort of fight understands. In contrast, pornography (visual or textual) is quite similar to its real-world counterpart.
- sbierwagen 5y agoWas this comment supposed to be left on the other AI Dungeon post? This one is about a security hole.