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I like Telegram a lot. Has merit in the ways you mention, and it is pretty lean, not too much going on, not pushy either. None of this replaces email. A big

I like Telegram a lot. Has merit in the ways you mention, and it is pretty lean, not too much going on, not pushy either. None of this replaces email. A big one is I am not sure I will have every Telegram chat I received a decade or two from now, and I will have all my email. Another is everyone uses email. Not everyone uses other apps. So far Telegram is entertainment only. That is fine. Email can act like chat, chat is not email. I very strongly disagree with better. Different? Yup. More experiences possible? Yup. But not better. Email is killer. And it is not hard, is time tested, production proven, near ubiquitous. UX is bang on simple, and I hardly ever think about it. "Better" needs some reevaluation to be frank. I see a general failure to understand why email is great. That means a claim of better UX may make very little sense.

leephillips 6y ago
I agree about email. And the main thing, and what distinguishes it from Telegram, etc., is that it is a protocol, not an app. You can use any client you want, or write your own.
- Jiocus 6y ago
  Telegram is one of the few messengers that actually enables you to use any Telegram client available, or write your own[1]. The protocol that is de facto Telegram is called MProto[2], and is publicly available. § [1]: https://telegram.org/apps https://telegram.org/apps [2]: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto https://core.telegram.org/mtproto § edit: The main difference between email and Telegram, is that anyone can host email servers, while Telegram manages theirs. edit2: MProto being widely available to study, one could perhaps reverse-engineer their own server - but that hasn't been a desire to accomplish this from what I can see. Much of the value-proposal of Telegram is their Service as a whole.
  - krageon 6y ago
    Telegram is centralised and siloed, where email isn't. You just can't compare the two.
    - Jiocus 6y ago
      > You just can't compare the two. You just did. I was responding to the claim that Telegram wasn't providing a protocol or ability for developers to author their own clients.
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      - leephillips 6y ago
        And point taken—I didn’t know about this, so Telegram was not an ideal example. But, as you point out, it still is not quite a decentralized as email, and, as a protocol, does not have email’s universal character. But thanks for the interesting information.
acgh213 6y ago
You can back up all Telegram chats including Media, of course this doesn't replace email, but the difference is just a client to parse the data and log it in a message style front end. Overall, email is killer, I would love to move everything toward emails that I can filter, or as the OP posted, a Unified inbox. I wonder if there is a patent on it.
- Sakos 6y ago
  > You can back up all Telegram chats including Media, of course this doesn't replace email, but the difference is just a client to parse the data and log it in a message style front end. While this is true, there's no automatic process and it's limited to the desktop client. Email is much more convenient because of this. I can't "forget" to backup my emails for the past month or year. I know they'll be on my email server until I delete them.

leephillips 6y ago

I agree about email. And the main thing, and what distinguishes it from Telegram, etc., is that it is a protocol, not an app. You can use any client you want, or write your own.

Jiocus 6y ago
Telegram is one of the few messengers that actually enables you to use any Telegram client available, or write your own[1]. The protocol that is de facto Telegram is called MProto[2], and is publicly available. § [1]: https://telegram.org/apps https://telegram.org/apps [2]: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto https://core.telegram.org/mtproto § edit: The main difference between email and Telegram, is that anyone can host email servers, while Telegram manages theirs. edit2: MProto being widely available to study, one could perhaps reverse-engineer their own server - but that hasn't been a desire to accomplish this from what I can see. Much of the value-proposal of Telegram is their Service as a whole.
- krageon 6y ago
  Telegram is centralised and siloed, where email isn't. You just can't compare the two.
  - Jiocus 6y ago
    > You just can't compare the two. You just did. I was responding to the claim that Telegram wasn't providing a protocol or ability for developers to author their own clients.
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    - leephillips 6y ago
      And point taken—I didn’t know about this, so Telegram was not an ideal example. But, as you point out, it still is not quite a decentralized as email, and, as a protocol, does not have email’s universal character. But thanks for the interesting information.

acgh213 6y ago

You can back up all Telegram chats including Media, of course this doesn't replace email, but the difference is just a client to parse the data and log it in a message style front end. Overall, email is killer, I would love to move everything toward emails that I can filter, or as the OP posted, a Unified inbox. I wonder if there is a patent on it.

Sakos 6y ago
> You can back up all Telegram chats including Media, of course this doesn't replace email, but the difference is just a client to parse the data and log it in a message style front end. While this is true, there's no automatic process and it's limited to the desktop client. Email is much more convenient because of this. I can't "forget" to backup my emails for the past month or year. I know they'll be on my email server until I delete them.