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It seems that bank accounts are public: https://blockexplorer.com/address/1MTbKpYWnzqmsLvCjdTtwrvuX81g3HCgC https://blockexplorer.com/address/1MTbKpYWnzqmsLvCjd

by retube 15y ago

It seems that bank accounts are public: https://blockexplorer.com/address/1MTbKpYWnzqmsLvCjdTtwrvuX81g3HCgC https://blockexplorer.com/address/1MTbKpYWnzqmsLvCjdTtwrvuX8... Why is this?

stuhood 15y ago
This is why people say Bitcoin is pseudonymous: the entire transaction history of every Bitcoin is public knowledge. To achieve actual anonymity, receivers need to use a one-time-address for each sender, and senders need to not leak information about which addresses they own. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity
- ralfd 15y ago
  Imagine all the money exchange and circulation of the world economy. 7 billion people. If hypothetically Bitcoin would be the "world currency" how much data (which is never deleted) would that generate per day? What data will amassed in 10 years? I wonder how that will hard limit the system...? I have no clue about Bitcoin but a quick google search seems to imply that the global history of all transactions is locally saved in the client as "blk0001.dat". Already this database seems to be a few hundred Megabytes big?
  - gwern 15y ago
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
    - sorbus 15y ago
      So Bitcoin's scalability relies on a mixture of writing new software when it's needed ("The core BitCoin network can scale to very high transaction rates assuming a distributed version of the node software is built. This would not be very complicated.") and in future switching to a two-tiered structure with "supernodes" transmitting data between themselves at a rate of >1GB/s. While I suppose that it's good that someone is thinking about this, it does not inspire confidence in bitcoin's ability to scale - the fact that it's theoretically possibly to write software allowing it to scale is very different from someone going off, writing this software, and demonstrating that it does scale.
      - gwern 15y ago
        The supernode architecture is mentally straightforward and has been the solution used by a number of previous P2P networks - eDonkey, Gnutella, and Skype come to mind as using supernodes or variants thereof. If you want to seriously criticize Bitcoin, one ought to have more than FUD and 'you haven't proven the opposite!'
JeremyBanks 15y ago
That's the way it works: everyone can see every transaction, and use that to figure how much money is at any address. For anonymity, you can generate as many addresses as you want in your wallet, and there are services that you can use to conduct transactions anonymously (by proxies and spread out over a period of time).
Devilboy 15y ago
All account numbers and amounts are public but there's no name attached to them and you can have as many accounts as you please.

by retube 15y ago

It seems that bank accounts are public: https://blockexplorer.com/address/1MTbKpYWnzqmsLvCjdTtwrvuX81g3HCgC https://blockexplorer.com/address/1MTbKpYWnzqmsLvCjdTtwrvuX8... Why is this?

stuhood 15y ago

This is why people say Bitcoin is pseudonymous: the entire transaction history of every Bitcoin is public knowledge. To achieve actual anonymity, receivers need to use a one-time-address for each sender, and senders need to not leak information about which addresses they own. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity

ralfd 15y ago
Imagine all the money exchange and circulation of the world economy. 7 billion people. If hypothetically Bitcoin would be the "world currency" how much data (which is never deleted) would that generate per day? What data will amassed in 10 years? I wonder how that will hard limit the system...? I have no clue about Bitcoin but a quick google search seems to imply that the global history of all transactions is locally saved in the client as "blk0001.dat". Already this database seems to be a few hundred Megabytes big?
- gwern 15y ago
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
  - sorbus 15y ago
    So Bitcoin's scalability relies on a mixture of writing new software when it's needed ("The core BitCoin network can scale to very high transaction rates assuming a distributed version of the node software is built. This would not be very complicated.") and in future switching to a two-tiered structure with "supernodes" transmitting data between themselves at a rate of >1GB/s. While I suppose that it's good that someone is thinking about this, it does not inspire confidence in bitcoin's ability to scale - the fact that it's theoretically possibly to write software allowing it to scale is very different from someone going off, writing this software, and demonstrating that it does scale.
    - gwern 15y ago
      The supernode architecture is mentally straightforward and has been the solution used by a number of previous P2P networks - eDonkey, Gnutella, and Skype come to mind as using supernodes or variants thereof. If you want to seriously criticize Bitcoin, one ought to have more than FUD and 'you haven't proven the opposite!'

JeremyBanks 15y ago

That's the way it works: everyone can see every transaction, and use that to figure how much money is at any address. For anonymity, you can generate as many addresses as you want in your wallet, and there are services that you can use to conduct transactions anonymously (by proxies and spread out over a period of time).

Devilboy 15y ago

All account numbers and amounts are public but there's no name attached to them and you can have as many accounts as you please.