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"and of “twenty-one employees of noblesse origin, eight from the priesthood, twelve honorary citizens [code for tsarists], and ten from the merchant class.” Fo

"and of “twenty-one employees of noblesse origin, eight from the priesthood, twelve honorary citizens [code for tsarists], and ten from the merchant class.” For those not familiar with this part of Russian history, the relevant concept here is "class enemy" - an individual who is an enemy of the people by virtue of being of certain social class.

B1FF_PSUVM 6y ago
> relevant concept here is "class enemy" In our enlightened times, this has been replaced with other categories which make automatic allies - "if you're X, you must do Y." (But still a "traitor" if you disobey the diktat.)
hpcjoe 6y ago
The echos that we see today of similar class warfare, of similar narratives supplanting real science, and replacing it with activism ... This is the direction we are heading toward. As the joke goes, history doesn't repeat itself. It does rhyme however. You can see echos of Lysenkoism where a narrative pushed hard by activists, that has numerous problems from a scientific point of view, is rammed down peoples throats. When people can be "deplatformed" or "canceled" for having the temerity to express different opinions than the narrative allows for ... that is, in many ways, modern day Lysenkoism. It took Russia many decades to recover from this. As it will us, if we allow this to continue.
- mszcz 6y ago
  So in Russia you can express different views? There's freedom after freedom of speech there now?
  - hpcjoe 6y ago
    Apologies if I wasn't clear. Russian genetics took decades to recover.
    - mszcz 6y ago
      Oh, ok ;)
fuf_998 6y ago
Class enemy is defined in socio-economic terms rather than purely social (which are even hard to define). Responding to your irony on "virtue" - there are certain pre-defined aspects of one's economic activity on others, for example if you are living off by owning private property and interest from this - your interested are naturally against the interest of people you are dealing with. This simple concept seems very hard to comprehend.
- sorokod 6y ago
  Are you aware that this classification was employed against individuals long after the revolution?

B1FF_PSUVM 6y ago

> relevant concept here is "class enemy" In our enlightened times, this has been replaced with other categories which make automatic allies - "if you're X, you must do Y." (But still a "traitor" if you disobey the diktat.)

hpcjoe 6y ago

The echos that we see today of similar class warfare, of similar narratives supplanting real science, and replacing it with activism ... This is the direction we are heading toward. As the joke goes, history doesn't repeat itself. It does rhyme however. You can see echos of Lysenkoism where a narrative pushed hard by activists, that has numerous problems from a scientific point of view, is rammed down peoples throats. When people can be "deplatformed" or "canceled" for having the temerity to express different opinions than the narrative allows for ... that is, in many ways, modern day Lysenkoism. It took Russia many decades to recover from this. As it will us, if we allow this to continue.

mszcz 6y ago
So in Russia you can express different views? There's freedom after freedom of speech there now?
- hpcjoe 6y ago
  Apologies if I wasn't clear. Russian genetics took decades to recover.
  - mszcz 6y ago
    Oh, ok ;)

fuf_998 6y ago

Class enemy is defined in socio-economic terms rather than purely social (which are even hard to define). Responding to your irony on "virtue" - there are certain pre-defined aspects of one's economic activity on others, for example if you are living off by owning private property and interest from this - your interested are naturally against the interest of people you are dealing with. This simple concept seems very hard to comprehend.

sorokod 6y ago
Are you aware that this classification was employed against individuals long after the revolution?