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The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up th

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-admits-nursing-home-coverup-stefanik-calls-for-prosecution/ar-BB1dCWvm https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-totals-aides-altered-report-july/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-total... He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them, even though that's how the first major outbreak happened in Washington state. He then covered it all up by trying to attribute the deaths to hospitals. Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. His aide admitted to it. He should be in jail. He killed at least 15,000 people as a direct result of his orders. I just hope they investigate the other 5 governors that sent the people with covid back into nursing homes. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo-covid-19-positive-patients-nursing-homes https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo... They should have all known. This is how it all started, it seems deliberate. Cover-up or not, they are all either dangerously incompetent or malicious.

thehappypm 5y ago
Because when it's your guy getting attacked, it's a conspiracy. When it's the other guy, it's righteous.
kbelder 5y ago
While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the post-facto coverup, that doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt. That's just sleaze and corruption.
- throwaway292893 5y ago
  The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is indefensible.
  - ggamecrazy 5y ago
    Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.
    - throwaway292893 5y ago
      45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.
      - plussed_reader 5y ago
        And if there aren't enough bodies to meet that requirement, then what?
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        > Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals. The PPE that was acutely in short supply and unavailable at the beginning of the pandemic? Even doctors and nurses didn't have adequate PPE back then, and many of them got sick and died because of it.
        throwaway292893 5y ago
        > and many of them got sick and died because of it. Source of people dying due to lack of PPE? As I understand it, there was always a low supply, not no supply. Other states managed to supply their nursing homes just fine. Seems like rationalization. Cuomo never came out and said this was caused by lack of PPE. Unless you have a source that they weren't able to equip their nursing homes due to supply issues you are assuming.
ggamecrazy 5y ago
> He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them... Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These are not people in independent living facilities, they likely need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to do at the time. It unfortunately didn't play out so well and I am glad I wasn't the one making that decision. I think it was a tough decision. The nursing homes could have contained the spread but clearly were incapable of doing so. > Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. No excuse for that, just lay it all out. The stonewalling was intentional and possibly illegal, he should answer for that.
- throwaway292893 5y ago
  There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?
  - jmisavage 5y ago
    The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.
    - throwaway292893 5y ago
      The point is those ships were under capacity the whole time. Send more non-covid patients to them, keep elderly patients in the hospitals. New York never reached full capacity overall. If you MUST send covid patients to nursing homes, make sure they are prepared with PPE. Other states did so, Cuomo and the 5 other governors should have known to do so. We already had outbreaks in a nursing home that everyone was aware of.
    - 5y ago
encryptluks2 5y ago
Like Newsom who gave the biggest non-apology I've seen about getting caught violating his own COVID-19 stay-at-home orders, and then said the recall against him was being orchestrated by white supremacist antisemites (nazis) which is over 1.5 million people in his own state... I'm sure Cuomo will find something similar to say.
- clairity 5y ago
  i'm ready to impeach newsom, but polling seems to suggests it's unlikely. i'd happily sign a petition to impeach LA mayor garcetti as well, if any were organized to do so. the pandemic response here was beyond stupidly awful--a combination of what-if based fearmongering and a frenzy of unadulterated free (i.e., debt-fueled) federal money-grubbing. the whole colored tier system was a farcical distraction from real mitigations like quarantining nursing homes and their staff who'd volunteer for 24-hour hero pay and 2-week on-off cycles (long enough to recuperate and re-quarantine), and asking people to distance indoors around familiars, which is where most transmission happens, rather than around strangers or out on the street where your silly mask-wearing does less than nothing. 90% of angelenos, by my anecdotal count, still wear masks outdoors, as if it were a talisman against impending death. despite unceasing media howling, our infection rates held relatively steady for a year, until recently, when vaccinations finally started to have a real effect on those rates. none of that (double-)mask-wearing, excessive hand-sanitizing, overly restrictive retail-closing, and incessant surface-disinfecting propounded by the state/county/city did anything to mitigate spread, only modest distancing indoors and restricted interfamilial contact had much mitigative effect (and the latter could have been handled much less invasively and damagingly). i'm decidedly unamused by the stupidity of it all and ready for new leadership of any stripe other than democrat or republican.
melling 5y ago
I’m under the impression that people were supposed to be allowed to return to their nursing homes, from where they left. After they left the hospital they needed somewhere to go. Otherwise, they would be homeless. If nursing homes couldn’t safely take recovering patients back then people were in danger before these people left for the hospital. I also imagine there were COVID patients in the homes who didn’t need to go to a hospital
mrandish 5y ago
> They should have all known. Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised. The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with broad lockdowns of everyone instead of the "focused protection" plan may go down as the worst public health error of modern times. Since they were hit hard and first, Hubei Province and Northern Italy at least have the excuse of no priors. By the time NY got hit any serious analyst knew and many were recommending circling the wagons around the vulnerable. I have no idea if fault lies with Cuomo personally or someone he delegated this to, but someone in NY seriously fucked up. Hell, in Bergamo prosecutors filed charges against some city/regional administrators for negligent manslaughter (or similar).
- pyronik19 5y ago
  Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.
  - mrandish 5y ago
    Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita results are better than NY, CA and many other states. Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted they could have done better in some of the early execution phase around protecting elder facilities. 7
    - splitstud 5y ago
      Tried and true method we learned over time. The leaders that were strong enough to respond properly should be congratulated. This was a gigantic shot to the foot by our public health leadership, most state and federal leaders, and fawning media. And it's not even close to over.
dkarl 5y ago
> The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. The opposite, I thought -- he seemed to be weathering the nursing home scandal, and now the sex scandal seems to be taking him down. Before his sexual behavior was publicized, people were joking/not joking that Andrew Cuomo was the poster child for our (Democrats') inability to hold anyone accountable for anything as long as they seemed woke and likable and said all the right things on cultural issues. Then his sexual behavior hit the news, and it was like, wow, is there anything metoo can't do? At least now Democrats nationally want him gone, though it's always harder to get a popular politician's own constituents to turn against him.
atat7024 5y ago
Nobody will ever be prosecuted for this, and that's less people taking what politicians see as limited funds.

thehappypm 5y ago

Because when it's your guy getting attacked, it's a conspiracy. When it's the other guy, it's righteous.

kbelder 5y ago

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the post-facto coverup, that doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt. That's just sleaze and corruption.

throwaway292893 5y ago
The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is indefensible.
- ggamecrazy 5y ago
  Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.
  - throwaway292893 5y ago
    45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.
    - plussed_reader 5y ago
      And if there aren't enough bodies to meet that requirement, then what?
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      > Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals. The PPE that was acutely in short supply and unavailable at the beginning of the pandemic? Even doctors and nurses didn't have adequate PPE back then, and many of them got sick and died because of it.
      - throwaway292893 5y ago
        > and many of them got sick and died because of it. Source of people dying due to lack of PPE? As I understand it, there was always a low supply, not no supply. Other states managed to supply their nursing homes just fine. Seems like rationalization. Cuomo never came out and said this was caused by lack of PPE. Unless you have a source that they weren't able to equip their nursing homes due to supply issues you are assuming.

ggamecrazy 5y ago

> He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them... Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These are not people in independent living facilities, they likely need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to do at the time. It unfortunately didn't play out so well and I am glad I wasn't the one making that decision. I think it was a tough decision. The nursing homes could have contained the spread but clearly were incapable of doing so. > Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. No excuse for that, just lay it all out. The stonewalling was intentional and possibly illegal, he should answer for that.

throwaway292893 5y ago
There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?
- jmisavage 5y ago
  The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.
  - throwaway292893 5y ago
    The point is those ships were under capacity the whole time. Send more non-covid patients to them, keep elderly patients in the hospitals. New York never reached full capacity overall. If you MUST send covid patients to nursing homes, make sure they are prepared with PPE. Other states did so, Cuomo and the 5 other governors should have known to do so. We already had outbreaks in a nursing home that everyone was aware of.
  - 5y ago

encryptluks2 5y ago

Like Newsom who gave the biggest non-apology I've seen about getting caught violating his own COVID-19 stay-at-home orders, and then said the recall against him was being orchestrated by white supremacist antisemites (nazis) which is over 1.5 million people in his own state... I'm sure Cuomo will find something similar to say.

clairity 5y ago
i'm ready to impeach newsom, but polling seems to suggests it's unlikely. i'd happily sign a petition to impeach LA mayor garcetti as well, if any were organized to do so. the pandemic response here was beyond stupidly awful--a combination of what-if based fearmongering and a frenzy of unadulterated free (i.e., debt-fueled) federal money-grubbing. the whole colored tier system was a farcical distraction from real mitigations like quarantining nursing homes and their staff who'd volunteer for 24-hour hero pay and 2-week on-off cycles (long enough to recuperate and re-quarantine), and asking people to distance indoors around familiars, which is where most transmission happens, rather than around strangers or out on the street where your silly mask-wearing does less than nothing. 90% of angelenos, by my anecdotal count, still wear masks outdoors, as if it were a talisman against impending death. despite unceasing media howling, our infection rates held relatively steady for a year, until recently, when vaccinations finally started to have a real effect on those rates. none of that (double-)mask-wearing, excessive hand-sanitizing, overly restrictive retail-closing, and incessant surface-disinfecting propounded by the state/county/city did anything to mitigate spread, only modest distancing indoors and restricted interfamilial contact had much mitigative effect (and the latter could have been handled much less invasively and damagingly). i'm decidedly unamused by the stupidity of it all and ready for new leadership of any stripe other than democrat or republican.

melling 5y ago

I’m under the impression that people were supposed to be allowed to return to their nursing homes, from where they left. After they left the hospital they needed somewhere to go. Otherwise, they would be homeless. If nursing homes couldn’t safely take recovering patients back then people were in danger before these people left for the hospital. I also imagine there were COVID patients in the homes who didn’t need to go to a hospital

mrandish 5y ago

> They should have all known. Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised. The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with broad lockdowns of everyone instead of the "focused protection" plan may go down as the worst public health error of modern times. Since they were hit hard and first, Hubei Province and Northern Italy at least have the excuse of no priors. By the time NY got hit any serious analyst knew and many were recommending circling the wagons around the vulnerable. I have no idea if fault lies with Cuomo personally or someone he delegated this to, but someone in NY seriously fucked up. Hell, in Bergamo prosecutors filed charges against some city/regional administrators for negligent manslaughter (or similar).

pyronik19 5y ago
Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.
- mrandish 5y ago
  Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita results are better than NY, CA and many other states. Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted they could have done better in some of the early execution phase around protecting elder facilities. 7
  - splitstud 5y ago
    Tried and true method we learned over time. The leaders that were strong enough to respond properly should be congratulated. This was a gigantic shot to the foot by our public health leadership, most state and federal leaders, and fawning media. And it's not even close to over.

dkarl 5y ago

> The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. The opposite, I thought -- he seemed to be weathering the nursing home scandal, and now the sex scandal seems to be taking him down. Before his sexual behavior was publicized, people were joking/not joking that Andrew Cuomo was the poster child for our (Democrats') inability to hold anyone accountable for anything as long as they seemed woke and likable and said all the right things on cultural issues. Then his sexual behavior hit the news, and it was like, wow, is there anything metoo can't do? At least now Democrats nationally want him gone, though it's always harder to get a popular politician's own constituents to turn against him.

atat7024 5y ago

Nobody will ever be prosecuted for this, and that's less people taking what politicians see as limited funds.