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People make penis shaped blocks in Minecraft all day long... and that doesn't tarnish the Minecraft brand. Why? because people understand that it's not Minecraf

People make penis shaped blocks in Minecraft all day long... and that doesn't tarnish the Minecraft brand. Why? because people understand that it's not Minecraft the company doing so - or condoning the practice. And that's just scratching the surface of what can be done in games like that which allow "creative expression". Why would you think that this company needs to Thought Police their gamers when thousands of others are able to host creativity based games without being dystopian?

qayxc 5y ago
> Why would you think that this company needs to Thought Police their gamers when thousands of others are able to host creativity based games without being dystopian? Wow. You act as if that's something new :D There's even an actual job for doing just that: it's called an editor. You know, the people who work in media, publishing houses, TV, radio, papers, magazines, that kind of thing. It's what they do. Everywhere. Editing content. Removing comments, changing words, making sure the views represented in the publication match the intentions and policies of the investors and parent organisations, etc. You act as if something is new and evil just because it's done with computers. It isn't. It has been the case for as long as papyrus and cave paintings have been around. Back then it was don't anger the chief/king/Pharao, today it's don't anger the Twitter mob or the hand that feeds you. Same difference. Games are a medium just like magazines or online blogs and comparing blocky dongs in Minecraft with explicit child pornography says a lot about your understanding of "creative expression". Really makes me wonder sometimes.
- wernercd 5y ago
  There is no parallel between me playing a game where I have the freedom to express myself and me submitting a paper to an editorial review board. Unless you back the idea that every corner of society needs to have the Religion of Woke determining what's "good" and "bad"... and the last thing I think we need is new Crusades with the Knights Wokelar deploying the Holy Creed and woe be the Heathen who goes against the Churches Religion. "You act as if something is new" and you act as if history isn't full of thought police turning into judge, jury and executioners... from the Crusades to the French Revolution to Auschwitz... It's funny how "they are just controlling things for YOUR own good" often turns for the worst... "same difference" Ignorance of history leads to a repeat of history. From book burnings to "we just want to stop racism"... Really makes me wonder as well...
  - qayxc 5y ago
    So right to Godwin's Law we go then - yeah. I get the feeling it's not me who is the radical here. There is a difference between wanting to remove content that a company don't want to associate itself with and genocide. For you to even suggest there's a connection says far more about your twisted logic and dysfunctional thought process than mine. Also AI dungeon is a multiplayer game so yeah - YOUR freedom of expression is limited by OTHER players freedom of not being subjected to certain content. If you don't understand that, work on your social skills.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      > Also AI dungeon is a multiplayer game so yeah What? No it isn't. Technically there's a "multiplayer" mode but that's fundamentally just people taking turns. Restricting certain kinds of content for that reason is nonsense, akin to restricting the kind of story you can write in google docs because multiple people might have been given access to a document.
    - wernercd 5y ago
      "your freedom is restricted because..." because fragile flowers don't want to get offended or choose to get offended on behalf of other people. All you see is "godwins law" and refuse to acknowledge the parallels scattered throughout history of how these modern day book burnings, witch hunts and mobs with pitch forks turn nasty... and SOMEHOW you are doing that when we live in a world where violent mobs swarm when someone does something that's Evil - so sayeth the religion of woke. The Woke'saders (Modern day Crusaders) have no problem destroying lives - to the point of violence and death... so, yes, pardon me for equating the intolerance, bigotry and hate presented by the Intolerant Tolerant as leading towards similar atrocities that have existed throughout history. Again... focus on godwin and ignore then facts in my messages. That way you can ignore the world around you and you'll be blameless when things continue down this path. You can also join in the fun of destroying the freedom of others in the crusade to control what other people think, say and do.
      - qayxc 5y ago
ljp_206 5y ago
For the record, I'm not sure where I land with regards to this change by AI dungeon. That being said, I find that arranging blocks in obscene shapes (let's even call it, generally, 'creating or arranging potentially objectionable content in-game'), an act that will likely happen offline, or on a privately owned server, is different than a game/toy/service where output is requested, generated, then sent to the user. (Trying to keep that description simple since I don't really know if that's the right way to describe it) When comparing the Minecraft scenario to the AI Dungeon scenario under the purview of "doing creative things with games," I don't find the two scenarios to be much different. However, for one of those things, it's a possibility within the vast play space of Minecraft - you could even create genitalia and display profanity with just alphabet blocks - but for the other scenario, depending on how you see it, it's content that is generated, served, and potentially stored by AI Dungeon. I'd be concerned about the publicity if I was AI Dungeon as well.

qayxc 5y ago

> Why would you think that this company needs to Thought Police their gamers when thousands of others are able to host creativity based games without being dystopian? Wow. You act as if that's something new :D There's even an actual job for doing just that: it's called an editor. You know, the people who work in media, publishing houses, TV, radio, papers, magazines, that kind of thing. It's what they do. Everywhere. Editing content. Removing comments, changing words, making sure the views represented in the publication match the intentions and policies of the investors and parent organisations, etc. You act as if something is new and evil just because it's done with computers. It isn't. It has been the case for as long as papyrus and cave paintings have been around. Back then it was don't anger the chief/king/Pharao, today it's don't anger the Twitter mob or the hand that feeds you. Same difference. Games are a medium just like magazines or online blogs and comparing blocky dongs in Minecraft with explicit child pornography says a lot about your understanding of "creative expression". Really makes me wonder sometimes.

wernercd 5y ago
There is no parallel between me playing a game where I have the freedom to express myself and me submitting a paper to an editorial review board. Unless you back the idea that every corner of society needs to have the Religion of Woke determining what's "good" and "bad"... and the last thing I think we need is new Crusades with the Knights Wokelar deploying the Holy Creed and woe be the Heathen who goes against the Churches Religion. "You act as if something is new" and you act as if history isn't full of thought police turning into judge, jury and executioners... from the Crusades to the French Revolution to Auschwitz... It's funny how "they are just controlling things for YOUR own good" often turns for the worst... "same difference" Ignorance of history leads to a repeat of history. From book burnings to "we just want to stop racism"... Really makes me wonder as well...
- qayxc 5y ago
  So right to Godwin's Law we go then - yeah. I get the feeling it's not me who is the radical here. There is a difference between wanting to remove content that a company don't want to associate itself with and genocide. For you to even suggest there's a connection says far more about your twisted logic and dysfunctional thought process than mine. Also AI dungeon is a multiplayer game so yeah - YOUR freedom of expression is limited by OTHER players freedom of not being subjected to certain content. If you don't understand that, work on your social skills.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > Also AI dungeon is a multiplayer game so yeah What? No it isn't. Technically there's a "multiplayer" mode but that's fundamentally just people taking turns. Restricting certain kinds of content for that reason is nonsense, akin to restricting the kind of story you can write in google docs because multiple people might have been given access to a document.
  - wernercd 5y ago
    "your freedom is restricted because..." because fragile flowers don't want to get offended or choose to get offended on behalf of other people. All you see is "godwins law" and refuse to acknowledge the parallels scattered throughout history of how these modern day book burnings, witch hunts and mobs with pitch forks turn nasty... and SOMEHOW you are doing that when we live in a world where violent mobs swarm when someone does something that's Evil - so sayeth the religion of woke. The Woke'saders (Modern day Crusaders) have no problem destroying lives - to the point of violence and death... so, yes, pardon me for equating the intolerance, bigotry and hate presented by the Intolerant Tolerant as leading towards similar atrocities that have existed throughout history. Again... focus on godwin and ignore then facts in my messages. That way you can ignore the world around you and you'll be blameless when things continue down this path. You can also join in the fun of destroying the freedom of others in the crusade to control what other people think, say and do.
    - qayxc 5y ago

ljp_206 5y ago

For the record, I'm not sure where I land with regards to this change by AI dungeon. That being said, I find that arranging blocks in obscene shapes (let's even call it, generally, 'creating or arranging potentially objectionable content in-game'), an act that will likely happen offline, or on a privately owned server, is different than a game/toy/service where output is requested, generated, then sent to the user. (Trying to keep that description simple since I don't really know if that's the right way to describe it) When comparing the Minecraft scenario to the AI Dungeon scenario under the purview of "doing creative things with games," I don't find the two scenarios to be much different. However, for one of those things, it's a possibility within the vast play space of Minecraft - you could even create genitalia and display profanity with just alphabet blocks - but for the other scenario, depending on how you see it, it's content that is generated, served, and potentially stored by AI Dungeon. I'd be concerned about the publicity if I was AI Dungeon as well.