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I'm really hoping Alder Lake or a similar AMD product gets PC closer to M1+ performance and battery consumption. The M1 chip is amazing but I'm a tiling window

I'm really hoping Alder Lake or a similar AMD product gets PC closer to M1+ performance and battery consumption. The M1 chip is amazing but I'm a tiling window manager man.

hajile 5y ago
https://ianyh.com/amethyst/ https://ianyh.com/amethyst/
- ripply 5y ago
  I also am a tiling window manager man and tried that a few years back (as well as everything else on the market) when I had a mac from work, unfortunately, without real support from the OS, these are all just poor mans windows managers and can't compare to the real thing. I gave up trying to use any of them and ended up installing a virtual machine where I could actually use one.
  - galangalalgol 5y ago
    I'm a gnome addict. If you ever asked yourself "who are they building this monstrosity for?". That would be me, it fits my exact preferences in a workflow out of the box. Unity irritates me to no end, and my wife's mac is almost unusable for me which she greatly appreciates.
- _joel 5y ago
  Not sure why you're being down voted, I use Amethyst and love it.
reader_mode 5y ago
It seems like apple is TSMC priority customer so I suspect they will always be a node ahead of AMD. Doesn't matter if Apple does mobile and low power stuff exclusively, but if they can scale this design into a higher TDP/core count it's going to get interesting.
anuragsoni 5y ago
This will obviously not be comparable to a tiling window manager, but I've been pretty happy with Rectangle [1] on my mac. The keyboard mappings are pretty easy to configure and i've found it to work well even in multi monitor setups. [1] https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle
- mwint 5y ago
  +1 for Rectangle; I've been using it ever since it was Spectacle. There's nothing I really miss about a proper tiling window manager (though I'm sure hardcore users would disagree)
  - anuragsoni 5y ago
    > There's nothing I really miss about a proper tiling window manager (though I'm sure hardcore users would disagree) Agreed. I mostly just needed the keyboard driven window snapping I was used to on Gnome and rectangle has filled than need 100%.
totalZero 5y ago
Alder Lake will get closer because of the big.LITTLE structure, but I don't know if we will really see a contender from Intel until Meteor Lake. Lithography size gets too much attention for its nomenclature, but it actually matters for battery consumption and thermal management. Intel must execute flawlessly on 7nm and spend generously on capex to keep the ball rolling.
volta83 5y ago
This is Mac OS: - https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jupmda/aquayabai_a_fun_colorful_rice_to_brighten_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jupmda/aquayabai_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/mvuplf/yabaimacos_proof_that_macos_can_look_good/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/mvuplf/yabaimacos... Its called Yabai (+ skhd): https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai That is, you can have a tilin WM today with all the advantages of running MacOS.
- tl 5y ago
  From your third link: System Integrity Protection needs to be (partially) disabled for yabai to inject a scripting addition into Dock.app for controlling windows with functions that require elevated privileges. This enables control of the window server, which is the sole owner of all window connections, and enables additional features of yabai. The risk Apple kills yabai after you're adjusted to it is real.
  - volta83 5y ago
    > The risk Apple kills yabai after you're adjusted to it is real. This holds for anything in the Apple ecosystem, up to Fortnite. Yabai has been going for long, and every issue could be worked around relatively painlessly.
    - matwood 5y ago
      > This holds for anything in the Apple ecosystem. Holds for anything in almost any ecosystem. With that said, Apple has stated over and over the Mac will remain developer friendly. Being able to disable SIP, IMO is part of that.
  - athorax 5y ago
    FWIW, I run yabai without having disabled SIP and it works great. There is probably some subset of functionality I am missing out on, but it does what I need it to.
  - 5y ago
zucker42 5y ago
Zen 4 will probably at least match the M1, but it will be a while before those chips come out and Apple will soon improve even more.
- intrasight 5y ago
  I have a feeling that Apple has pulled ahead and will stay ahead for a LONG time. They are extending their moat. And applying Mx to VR they will create a new moat.
  - Synaesthesia 5y ago
    They started pulling ahead in the A6-A7 days and never looked back. Amazing progression.
- ravi-delia 5y ago
  I'm curious to see if Zen 4 manages actually. It'll be an interesting datapoint as to what actually makes the M1 better.
kbd 5y ago
It's not exactly a tiling window manager, but if you can program some simple Lua then Hammerspoon is a godsend. You can program anything any of the other window managers for Mac (like Rectangle, Spectacle, etc.) can do and have complete freedom to set up your own keyboard shortcuts for anything. I have some predefined layouts[1] for my most common usage. So, one keyboard shortcut arranges the screen how I want, and I have other keyboard shortcuts[2] (along with using Karabiner Elements for a 'hyper' key) to open or switch to common apps. [1] https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc59f012c1ed6f1b/HOME/.hammerspoon/init.lua#L59 https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc... [2] https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc59f012c1ed6f1b/HOME/.hammerspoon/init.lua#L163 https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc...
shepherdjerred 5y ago
https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai
aryik 5y ago
You’ve gotten plenty of recommendations, but I’ll add one for Magnet [1]. I’ve been using it for years, and I love it. One of the best software purchases I’ve ever made - small, lightweight, does exactly one thing and does it very well, and made by a small developer to boot. [1] https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/index.html https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/index.html

I'm really hoping Alder Lake or a similar AMD product gets PC closer to M1+ performance and battery consumption. The M1 chip is amazing but I'm a tiling window manager man.

hajile 5y ago

https://ianyh.com/amethyst/ https://ianyh.com/amethyst/

ripply 5y ago
I also am a tiling window manager man and tried that a few years back (as well as everything else on the market) when I had a mac from work, unfortunately, without real support from the OS, these are all just poor mans windows managers and can't compare to the real thing. I gave up trying to use any of them and ended up installing a virtual machine where I could actually use one.
- galangalalgol 5y ago
  I'm a gnome addict. If you ever asked yourself "who are they building this monstrosity for?". That would be me, it fits my exact preferences in a workflow out of the box. Unity irritates me to no end, and my wife's mac is almost unusable for me which she greatly appreciates.
_joel 5y ago
Not sure why you're being down voted, I use Amethyst and love it.

reader_mode 5y ago

It seems like apple is TSMC priority customer so I suspect they will always be a node ahead of AMD. Doesn't matter if Apple does mobile and low power stuff exclusively, but if they can scale this design into a higher TDP/core count it's going to get interesting.

anuragsoni 5y ago

This will obviously not be comparable to a tiling window manager, but I've been pretty happy with Rectangle [1] on my mac. The keyboard mappings are pretty easy to configure and i've found it to work well even in multi monitor setups. [1] https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle

mwint 5y ago
+1 for Rectangle; I've been using it ever since it was Spectacle. There's nothing I really miss about a proper tiling window manager (though I'm sure hardcore users would disagree)
- anuragsoni 5y ago
  > There's nothing I really miss about a proper tiling window manager (though I'm sure hardcore users would disagree) Agreed. I mostly just needed the keyboard driven window snapping I was used to on Gnome and rectangle has filled than need 100%.

totalZero 5y ago

Alder Lake will get closer because of the big.LITTLE structure, but I don't know if we will really see a contender from Intel until Meteor Lake. Lithography size gets too much attention for its nomenclature, but it actually matters for battery consumption and thermal management. Intel must execute flawlessly on 7nm and spend generously on capex to keep the ball rolling.

volta83 5y ago

This is Mac OS: - https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jupmda/aquayabai_a_fun_colorful_rice_to_brighten_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jupmda/aquayabai_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/mvuplf/yabaimacos_proof_that_macos_can_look_good/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/mvuplf/yabaimacos... Its called Yabai (+ skhd): https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai That is, you can have a tilin WM today with all the advantages of running MacOS.

tl 5y ago
From your third link: System Integrity Protection needs to be (partially) disabled for yabai to inject a scripting addition into Dock.app for controlling windows with functions that require elevated privileges. This enables control of the window server, which is the sole owner of all window connections, and enables additional features of yabai. The risk Apple kills yabai after you're adjusted to it is real.
- volta83 5y ago
  > The risk Apple kills yabai after you're adjusted to it is real. This holds for anything in the Apple ecosystem, up to Fortnite. Yabai has been going for long, and every issue could be worked around relatively painlessly.
  - matwood 5y ago
    > This holds for anything in the Apple ecosystem. Holds for anything in almost any ecosystem. With that said, Apple has stated over and over the Mac will remain developer friendly. Being able to disable SIP, IMO is part of that.
- athorax 5y ago
  FWIW, I run yabai without having disabled SIP and it works great. There is probably some subset of functionality I am missing out on, but it does what I need it to.
- 5y ago

zucker42 5y ago

Zen 4 will probably at least match the M1, but it will be a while before those chips come out and Apple will soon improve even more.

intrasight 5y ago
I have a feeling that Apple has pulled ahead and will stay ahead for a LONG time. They are extending their moat. And applying Mx to VR they will create a new moat.
- Synaesthesia 5y ago
  They started pulling ahead in the A6-A7 days and never looked back. Amazing progression.
ravi-delia 5y ago
I'm curious to see if Zen 4 manages actually. It'll be an interesting datapoint as to what actually makes the M1 better.

kbd 5y ago

It's not exactly a tiling window manager, but if you can program some simple Lua then Hammerspoon is a godsend. You can program anything any of the other window managers for Mac (like Rectangle, Spectacle, etc.) can do and have complete freedom to set up your own keyboard shortcuts for anything. I have some predefined layouts[1] for my most common usage. So, one keyboard shortcut arranges the screen how I want, and I have other keyboard shortcuts[2] (along with using Karabiner Elements for a 'hyper' key) to open or switch to common apps. [1] https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc59f012c1ed6f1b/HOME/.hammerspoon/init.lua#L59 https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc... [2] https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc59f012c1ed6f1b/HOME/.hammerspoon/init.lua#L163 https://github.com/kbd/setup/blob/1a05e5df545db0133cf7b6f1bc...

shepherdjerred 5y ago

https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai

aryik 5y ago

You’ve gotten plenty of recommendations, but I’ll add one for Magnet [1]. I’ve been using it for years, and I love it. One of the best software purchases I’ve ever made - small, lightweight, does exactly one thing and does it very well, and made by a small developer to boot. [1] https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/index.html https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/index.html