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Not a diver myself but my best friend is (he is also an instructor as well as cave/shipwreck diver and he has also worked for a dive center with a lot of touris

Not a diver myself but my best friend is (he is also an instructor as well as cave/shipwreck diver and he has also worked for a dive center with a lot of tourists). I remember him telling me that diving in shipwrecks(or caves) requires additional certification, so I assume that those who have only the first/second star were not allowed to join (especially in a trip by an all-inclusive resort). What you describe sounds like a terrible and irresponsible trip to me.

bluGill 5y ago
> What you describe sounds like a terrible and irresponsible trip to me. That is typical of tours and resorts. These are not in the US where the law might investigate. Just some divers who will show anyone around. Many will teach you to dive, a two hour course is enough for a simple dive (ie.something you could snorkel to), then they take you on a first dive that needs far more training.
- nradov 5y ago
  In the US there typically won't be a legal investigation unless someone suffers a serious injury or death. And even then it will typically be handled as just a civil issue (wrongful death lawsuit and insurance claim).
  - bluGill 5y ago
    Probably, I'm not into diving so I can just report what I've observed from my friends who are. Though insurance in the US tends to be stricter about what they allow.
meowfly 5y ago
Both caves and shipwrecks are allowed with Open Water as long as you are within a certain distance from an opening and natural light.
- maratc 5y ago
  Any place with Hard Ceiling (something between you and the surface except water) necessitates specialty training in most dive certification organizations. The issue that many take with PADI is that their values are mostly aligned with making profits.
  - permo-w 5y ago
    my dad always called it Put Another Dollar In
    - alexfoo 5y ago
      It's commonly known as Pay And Dive In here in the UK.
      - permo-w 5y ago
        I’m from the UK too. Clearly a common theme
- kubanczyk 5y ago
  Absolutely not: > You need to be PADI Advanced Open Water Diver who is at least 18 years old to enroll in the Cavern Diver course. https://www.padi.com/courses/cavern-diver https://www.padi.com/courses/cavern-diver
  - meowfly 5y ago
    Edit: I was wrong with the above statement. After doing some research around this. Cenotes are an exception to the rule and even though Open Water Divers often do enter inner rooms in wreck dives and caverns what matters is maintaining a direct line of ascent. ---- Original ---- Open Water can do caverns. Dos Ojos is incredibly popular and has hard ceiling. Edit: Also Cavern Diver is just a specialty cert and doesn't confer any extra penetration. Those certs are mostly designed for skill mastery. IANTD's Cavern cert is required to get Full Cave, but I don't know if PADI's would count towards it. https://blog.padi.com/2019/04/29/must-dive-cenotes-for-open-water-divers/ https://blog.padi.com/2019/04/29/must-dive-cenotes-for-open-...

bluGill 5y ago

> What you describe sounds like a terrible and irresponsible trip to me. That is typical of tours and resorts. These are not in the US where the law might investigate. Just some divers who will show anyone around. Many will teach you to dive, a two hour course is enough for a simple dive (ie.something you could snorkel to), then they take you on a first dive that needs far more training.

nradov 5y ago
In the US there typically won't be a legal investigation unless someone suffers a serious injury or death. And even then it will typically be handled as just a civil issue (wrongful death lawsuit and insurance claim).
- bluGill 5y ago
  Probably, I'm not into diving so I can just report what I've observed from my friends who are. Though insurance in the US tends to be stricter about what they allow.

meowfly 5y ago

Both caves and shipwrecks are allowed with Open Water as long as you are within a certain distance from an opening and natural light.

maratc 5y ago
Any place with Hard Ceiling (something between you and the surface except water) necessitates specialty training in most dive certification organizations. The issue that many take with PADI is that their values are mostly aligned with making profits.
- permo-w 5y ago
  my dad always called it Put Another Dollar In
  - alexfoo 5y ago
    It's commonly known as Pay And Dive In here in the UK.
    - permo-w 5y ago
      I’m from the UK too. Clearly a common theme
kubanczyk 5y ago
Absolutely not: > You need to be PADI Advanced Open Water Diver who is at least 18 years old to enroll in the Cavern Diver course. https://www.padi.com/courses/cavern-diver https://www.padi.com/courses/cavern-diver
- meowfly 5y ago
  Edit: I was wrong with the above statement. After doing some research around this. Cenotes are an exception to the rule and even though Open Water Divers often do enter inner rooms in wreck dives and caverns what matters is maintaining a direct line of ascent. ---- Original ---- Open Water can do caverns. Dos Ojos is incredibly popular and has hard ceiling. Edit: Also Cavern Diver is just a specialty cert and doesn't confer any extra penetration. Those certs are mostly designed for skill mastery. IANTD's Cavern cert is required to get Full Cave, but I don't know if PADI's would count towards it. https://blog.padi.com/2019/04/29/must-dive-cenotes-for-open-water-divers/ https://blog.padi.com/2019/04/29/must-dive-cenotes-for-open-...