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When you sold 1 car yesterday, and sell 2 today, you have doubled your sales. It's misleading to talk about growth in terms of percentage points (or doubling/tr
by watt 5y ago
When you sold 1 car yesterday, and sell 2 today, you have doubled your sales. It's misleading to talk about growth in terms of percentage points (or doubling/tripling, etc), if it's somewhat low numbers.
- kaba0 5y agoAre you seriously writing it under a comment that just linearly extrapolated tesla’s production?
- vesinisa 5y agoI am not even downvoting that comment because it seems to be such a great example of the blatant cognitive dissonance Tesla and Musk evoke in many people.
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- yarcob 5y agoVW has just started selling their first "real" electric cars based on their all new platform. If that platform works out then Tesla is going to compete not against one or two new models, but they'll suddenly compete against two dozen models. Unless VW fucks something up in the next year, I just don't know how Tesla expects to compete with them. Tesla only has a handful of high end cars; they have no family cars, no vans, no compact cars, no busses. VW is great at building models for every niche and at every price point. No matter what kind of car you want, VW (or Skoda or Audi) has multiple options for you. Tesla is currently still ahead, but I'm not sure they can match the breadth of VWs upcoming model palette (if VWs new platform works out).
- chrisseaton 5y ago> they have no family cars Why can’t you use a Tesla for a family car? Most of them have four seats. What else do you need for most families?
- deanak 5y agoA non-touchscreen way to operate windshield wipers. VW makes a car with an electric drivetrain, Tesla makes an electric drivetrain with a place to put people and things.
- chrisseaton 5y agoI don’t really get what you mean, sorry? Why does a family need different wiper controls to a single person? And obviously you can put people and things in a Tesla.
- easton 5y agoThey’re saying that it’s not a real “car” unless there’s physical wiper controls.
- jiofih 5y agoOr reins. Steering wheels are inaccurate and a dangerous invention, people have already died because of it.
- deanak 5y agoSo the person responsible for keeping their family alive doesn't look away from the road trying to perform a very common task. A car is designed around the idea that maintaining the driver's attention on the road is the primary function. I am not sure what is driving the design of Teslas for the newer models. I like Teslas in general, but their decision to remove things like buttons and stalks from their vehicles is both dangerous and stupid, and people have already died because of it.
- gonzo41 5y agoThere's a really great video about the cockpit design of fighter aircraft. Basically, everything is color coded and feel the same in every plane to avoid mistakes like what telsa is introducing.
- natch 5y agoSuperchargers.
- lofi_lory 5y agoAs a German, I don't see VW getting it together rapidly. Germany doesn't get life in #Neuland. VW and most of the German industry are respective leaders in some niche by being good at through mechanical engineering IP. Electrical cars are simple. Innovation is in software, DRM business models and battery tech which is all completely foreign to the German industry. People here get Teslas for the charging infrastructure alone, as the alternative is a huge mess. Don't forget, VW is still trying hard to lobby for their known turf, pushing for hybrids and hydrogen combustion mechanical marvels... Germany doesn't get it. The pandemic has shown, the era of old white me... industrialist has forced the country between a rock and a hard place. While Musk is shooting consumer internet into space, our leaders had long, exhausting talks, recognizing Germany's need to modernize and embrace technical progression and they fearlessly concluded: It's time to let go of fax by 2030.
- soramimo 5y agoGerman here as well. In general, I share your pessimism. One thing to point out about VW is that their CEO, Herbert Diess, seems to get it. To name two anecdotal pieces of evidence, Elon had asked him to become CEO of Tesla back in 2015 [1] and he had conversations with Chinese battery supplier CATL about car batteries as far back as ten years ago [2]. [1] https://electrek.co/2021/04/13/ceo-elon-musk-reportedly-hire-vw-herbert-diess-tesla-ceo/ https://electrek.co/2021/04/13/ceo-elon-musk-reportedly-hire... [2] https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-herbert-diess-ev-cell-production-40-plants/ https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-herbert-diess-ev-cell-p...
- lofi_lory 5y agoI don't know... This year I lost all hope for Germany's future. This goes beyond VW. Until now, I kinda thought everything is going to be alright, Germany is a rich country and all. I wasn't aware of the extend of moral corruption in the CDU. They really eroded the whole country for personal gains. I've never been this disappointed and disillusioned by politics and society as I am for the last few month.
- soramimo 5y ago
- marvin 5y agoThey won’t be able to compete on price, because they’ll be bidding for batteries on the open market along with everybody else. Takes another 5 years to build out capacity, and who knows what Tesla will have accomplished by then.
- bildung 5y agoVW already sold 134k in 2020, of which 56k were the id.3 that effectively was available since september 2020.
- ttkari 5y agoIn Norway, where 54% on new cars sold in 2020 were electric, Volkswagen group sold more than twice as many electric cars (mostly Audi e-Tron and VW id.3) as Tesla.
- jimbokun 5y agoSame goes for extrapolating Tesla results, no?