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The average age of a car on the road today is 11 years. Toyota's reliability really makes a difference for secondhand owners, and therefore used Toyotas command

The average age of a car on the road today is 11 years. Toyota's reliability really makes a difference for secondhand owners, and therefore used Toyotas command a premium, and you get more for your car when you sell it or trade it in. Otherwise, it's true that new cars from many different brands are reliable enough nowadays, even brands that used to be bad like Hyundai (unless you want to buy a car and keep it forever). But used car sales far outstrip new car sales.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Used Toyotas command a premium because relatively none of them find their hands in the "oil changes, lol I can barely afford gas" crowd that wears stuff out and doesn't maintain stuff. You never see a Sienna getting loaded with bags of concrete at Home Depot. Can't say that about a Town and Country. You never see a family of 5 pile out of a (newish) Corrla. Can't say that about an Altima. You never see a 4Runner towing something way too big. Can't say that about a Tahoe. Toyotas sell for a premium used because they get sold to "premium" customers who keep them nice. If Toyota financed the people Chryler and Nissan would finance (insert neggity joke) then in 20yr you would see all the upper middle class HN types shitting all over Toyota because Toyota would be the poor people car. You'd see them in all sorts of states of disrepair and neglect and they would be stereotypes as unreliable, after all why else would they be driving around on 3/4cyl? I can't believe I'm defending Chrysler and Nissan but the blind Toyota worship is just that, blind worship. Most of their niceness comes from people keeping them nice. The real world edge between manufacturers is very, very slim. In end of life they are no better or worse than anything else that's been treated the way they have (VW's regularly scheduled electrical fires notwithstanding)
- Zhenya 5y ago
  This is patently false. Check Australia and Africa where Land Cruisers rule and survive like roaches (as do old Mercedes). It's because they are well engineered.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    So why don't they dominate in Russia and South America then?
    - Zhenya 5y ago
      They do in south America. Russia because they were only able to import non-soviet cars starting in the 90s. But they are also everywhere there.
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      What do you mean? In South America Corollas are considered to be far more reliable than equivalent Renault, GM and Fiat competitors. They cost a few thousand dollars extra, which is not a small deal for many people.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

Used Toyotas command a premium because relatively none of them find their hands in the "oil changes, lol I can barely afford gas" crowd that wears stuff out and doesn't maintain stuff. You never see a Sienna getting loaded with bags of concrete at Home Depot. Can't say that about a Town and Country. You never see a family of 5 pile out of a (newish) Corrla. Can't say that about an Altima. You never see a 4Runner towing something way too big. Can't say that about a Tahoe. Toyotas sell for a premium used because they get sold to "premium" customers who keep them nice. If Toyota financed the people Chryler and Nissan would finance (insert neggity joke) then in 20yr you would see all the upper middle class HN types shitting all over Toyota because Toyota would be the poor people car. You'd see them in all sorts of states of disrepair and neglect and they would be stereotypes as unreliable, after all why else would they be driving around on 3/4cyl? I can't believe I'm defending Chrysler and Nissan but the blind Toyota worship is just that, blind worship. Most of their niceness comes from people keeping them nice. The real world edge between manufacturers is very, very slim. In end of life they are no better or worse than anything else that's been treated the way they have (VW's regularly scheduled electrical fires notwithstanding)

Zhenya 5y ago
This is patently false. Check Australia and Africa where Land Cruisers rule and survive like roaches (as do old Mercedes). It's because they are well engineered.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  So why don't they dominate in Russia and South America then?
  - Zhenya 5y ago
    They do in south America. Russia because they were only able to import non-soviet cars starting in the 90s. But they are also everywhere there.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    What do you mean? In South America Corollas are considered to be far more reliable than equivalent Renault, GM and Fiat competitors. They cost a few thousand dollars extra, which is not a small deal for many people.