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> As it sits today, speaking your mind can literally be a death sentence, if you happen to say something a mob doesn't agree with. Exactly, this is a great rea

> As it sits today, speaking your mind can literally be a death sentence, if you happen to say something a mob doesn't agree with. Exactly, this is a great reason to leave the USA, especially if you already have health issues. With AI taking hold and it getting harder to emigrate, the time to leave is now. Jobs with benefits for programmers are going to become more uncommon, with remote work being possible, as more contract work is going to be offered. I am a dual US|EU (Croatian) citizen, who is culturally American. I can legally live in about 30 countries (Freedom of Movement rights) as an EU citizen. I left the US over healthcare. For most people on here, Ireland is the place to go to get EU citizenship. Once you get EU citizenship, it levels the playing field and you can go to places with better healthcare than Ireland.

nradov 5y ago
More people migrate from the EU to USA than the reverse. So it seems the majority disagree with you. https://mises.org/wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-other-way-around https://mises.org/wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-other-...
- Fern_Blossom 5y ago
  Nah, people escape from the USA all the time. No one moves here. Our border walls are to keep people in, not out. I mean, why else would 2018 and 2019 have record immigration? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding... https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states-2020 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested... Look, people should live where they want, be happy and be proud where they're at. Nothing wrong with that. But single platform ideals to make wide sweeping judgements are a good reason to keep a two party political system. Focusing on one issue and bringing a hammer down to shatter everything is rather unproductive. Yea, the USA has it's problems. Duh. Just like everywhere else has problems too. But more people run to the USA. If someone is privileged enough to find somewhere better, good, go for it. No one wants to stop you.
- syops 5y ago
  Most Europeans from Western Europe speak English and have at least some cultural knowledge of the U.S. due to our cultural hegemonic status. It’s easier for Greeks to come to the U.S. and integrate than vice versa. Also the U.S. has a long history of taking in immigrants. I suggest that looking solely at respective numbers of immigrants doesn’t tell the whole story.
tomc1985 5y ago
Wonderful, so how does a natural-born US citizen without a dual citizenship get the right to live and work in Europe? The only ways I am aware of are having a work sponsor, the Dutch-American friendship treaty, or taking advantage of a country that offers citizenship to descendants of emigres, like Greece
- rswail 5y ago
  How to immigrate is basically either as a partner of an EU citizen, on a work permit, or descendants of EU citizens. There's a bunch of resources online to find out. Whether you are a US citizen (natural born or otherwise) tends to be irrelevant. This portal has a simple way to find out: https://ec.europa.eu/immigration/ https://ec.europa.eu/immigration/

nradov 5y ago

More people migrate from the EU to USA than the reverse. So it seems the majority disagree with you. https://mises.org/wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-other-way-around https://mises.org/wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-other-...

Fern_Blossom 5y ago
Nah, people escape from the USA all the time. No one moves here. Our border walls are to keep people in, not out. I mean, why else would 2018 and 2019 have record immigration? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding... https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states-2020 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested... Look, people should live where they want, be happy and be proud where they're at. Nothing wrong with that. But single platform ideals to make wide sweeping judgements are a good reason to keep a two party political system. Focusing on one issue and bringing a hammer down to shatter everything is rather unproductive. Yea, the USA has it's problems. Duh. Just like everywhere else has problems too. But more people run to the USA. If someone is privileged enough to find somewhere better, good, go for it. No one wants to stop you.
syops 5y ago
Most Europeans from Western Europe speak English and have at least some cultural knowledge of the U.S. due to our cultural hegemonic status. It’s easier for Greeks to come to the U.S. and integrate than vice versa. Also the U.S. has a long history of taking in immigrants. I suggest that looking solely at respective numbers of immigrants doesn’t tell the whole story.

tomc1985 5y ago

Wonderful, so how does a natural-born US citizen without a dual citizenship get the right to live and work in Europe? The only ways I am aware of are having a work sponsor, the Dutch-American friendship treaty, or taking advantage of a country that offers citizenship to descendants of emigres, like Greece

rswail 5y ago
How to immigrate is basically either as a partner of an EU citizen, on a work permit, or descendants of EU citizens. There's a bunch of resources online to find out. Whether you are a US citizen (natural born or otherwise) tends to be irrelevant. This portal has a simple way to find out: https://ec.europa.eu/immigration/ https://ec.europa.eu/immigration/