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I'm assuming you don't use the package manager like Homebrew or MacPorts? this is where the gatekeeper will annoy the hell out of me. Apps installed via Homebre

I'm assuming you don't use the package manager like Homebrew or MacPorts? this is where the gatekeeper will annoy the hell out of me. Apps installed via Homebrew often will encounter Gatekeeper alerts. Half of them will give the option to open it and the other half, the gatekeeper --demands-- gently ask me to put it in the Trash without the option to open it.

lilyball 5y ago
Homebrew and MacPorts don't add the quarantine flag to the software they're installing. If you're getting Gatekeeper alerts for software installed this way, then something else must be going on.
- saagarjha 5y ago
  Homebrew Cask does.
xrisk 5y ago
Ctrl+right click to get the option to open it.
breakfastduck 5y ago
You need to disable gatekeeper like shown in another of the comments. It’ll permanently create a new option in your settings to allow installations from “anywhere” too.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Nitpick, I don't actually think the option in System Preferences is permanent? Is it still there if you change it back and restart System Preferences?
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    Not sure, I leave it on permanently on 'anywhere'. It still gives a prompt to confirm execution but it becomes a click through rather than anything actually trying to stop you doing stuff.
na85 5y ago
Homebrew apps only ask for permissions when they get updated because gatekeeper treats it like a fresh install, I guess.
herrkanin 5y ago
I'm using homebrew all day long, and I don't remember ever having this issue.
- xrisk 5y ago
  Homebrew cask.
  - ezfe 5y ago
    I use Homebrew Cask and don't run into any unusual problems with Gatekeeper. The flow is always the same as if I manually downloaded it (meaning I sometimes get a prompt on first run, but that's expected).
kstrauser 5y ago
I use Homebrew daily. In System Preferences, I have Security & Privacy > General > Allow apps downloaded from: App Store and identified developers, and I don't remember the last time I got a Gatekeeper alert.
- Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
  I have that option enabled since the first booting of my Macbook Air M1 and gatekeeper alert is still showing. And I am sure we are not using the same apps that ran into those alerts. I have Vivaldi, Alfred, AppCleaner, EasyFind, iTerm2, KeepassXC, MacPass, Keka, MediaInfo, NoMachine, Numi, OBS, odrive, Signal, Slack, TexStudio and VLC ran into those alert. I am genuinely curious why people are singing that "I don't have that such problems in my computer!" slogan repeatedly? Some of us have that problem and just because we have the same OS and possible the same hardware didn't mean it is impossible. I wish people change that particular mindset and be aware that those problems does exist.
  - setr 5y ago
    Because if they can’t reproduce, then much more likely than not, the problem is not inherent to the platform. In this case, there’s probably a deviation in config settings. Additionally if they can’t reproduce, they can’t offer any advice or help. It’s highly unlikely that MacOS behaves specially for your existence.
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    You're hugely misreading my intentions. I'm an engineer: I see something unexpected, I want to figure out what's happening. You and I are both using the same software and you're seeing problems that I didn't even know affected some people. I'm not saying "this works for me so I don't know what you're complaining about". I'm saying "huh, this works for me. I wonder what's different between our systems? Is this something that's going to spontaneously start affecting me if I click the wrong toggle somewhere?" Obviously the problem is possible. It's happening to you. I'd like to find out why so that I can troubleshoot and fix the problem if it starts happening to me or my friends or coworkers. And really, I'd like to help you fix it, too, if I could figure out what's causing it.
mschuster91 5y ago
Macports doesn't give you any headaches, it follows Unix principles. Homebrew is a keg of worms, if you excuse the bad pun. Sadly (because it seems to be easier to get started?) many developers prefer it over Macports...
- Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
  As an end-user, I prefer Homebrew over MacPorts because Homebrew is simpler to get it installed and use in the terminal. MacPorts in other hand, takes some tinkering to get it working. It has problem detecting installed XCode because it was looking for a specific outdated version (this happened last month when I decided to give MacPorts a try and I uninstalled Homebrew before trying it out since both of them cannot co-exist together.) It is likely that it is not the devs prefers it over MacPorts, it is likely that end-users prefers it and the devs are following what the end-users desires. Homebrew have huge catalog of software and libraries than MacPorts.
mlindner 5y ago
A simple right click on the app and selecting the open dialogue and it works fine.
saagarjha 5y ago
This is because Homebrew Cask explicitly adds the quarantine attribute to things it downloads. Perhaps there is some easy way to disable it or patch out this functionality?
crazygringo 5y ago
That's... unusual. I use Homebrew constantly and have never seen such a thing in my life, in any version of macOS/OSX over the past several years. Not in building from source, not in casks. Like another commenter the only security change I have is "Allow apps downloaded from" set to "App store and identified developers" -- which I'd assume virtually every Mac user on HN has also set. Perhaps you have some kind of unusual configuration? Or there's some very specific subcategory of Homebrew packages that encounter this problem?
- dimmke 5y ago
  Same, I install almost all new software via Homebrew and I've never had this problem.
- HandstandMick 5y ago
  What works for me is to ignore the trash message, in Finder, find the App, right click open, macOS displays a warning and open prompt, click Open, next time around do the same and post it seems to be fine.
herf 5y ago
Did you install homebrew via a Rosetta Terminal? M1/ARM code is treated more strictly than Intel, so I guess all my command line stuff is Intel.

lilyball 5y ago

Homebrew and MacPorts don't add the quarantine flag to the software they're installing. If you're getting Gatekeeper alerts for software installed this way, then something else must be going on.

saagarjha 5y ago
Homebrew Cask does.

xrisk 5y ago

Ctrl+right click to get the option to open it.

breakfastduck 5y ago

You need to disable gatekeeper like shown in another of the comments. It’ll permanently create a new option in your settings to allow installations from “anywhere” too.

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Nitpick, I don't actually think the option in System Preferences is permanent? Is it still there if you change it back and restart System Preferences?
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  Not sure, I leave it on permanently on 'anywhere'. It still gives a prompt to confirm execution but it becomes a click through rather than anything actually trying to stop you doing stuff.

na85 5y ago

Homebrew apps only ask for permissions when they get updated because gatekeeper treats it like a fresh install, I guess.

herrkanin 5y ago

I'm using homebrew all day long, and I don't remember ever having this issue.

xrisk 5y ago
Homebrew cask.
- ezfe 5y ago
  I use Homebrew Cask and don't run into any unusual problems with Gatekeeper. The flow is always the same as if I manually downloaded it (meaning I sometimes get a prompt on first run, but that's expected).

kstrauser 5y ago

I use Homebrew daily. In System Preferences, I have Security & Privacy > General > Allow apps downloaded from: App Store and identified developers, and I don't remember the last time I got a Gatekeeper alert.

Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
I have that option enabled since the first booting of my Macbook Air M1 and gatekeeper alert is still showing. And I am sure we are not using the same apps that ran into those alerts. I have Vivaldi, Alfred, AppCleaner, EasyFind, iTerm2, KeepassXC, MacPass, Keka, MediaInfo, NoMachine, Numi, OBS, odrive, Signal, Slack, TexStudio and VLC ran into those alert. I am genuinely curious why people are singing that "I don't have that such problems in my computer!" slogan repeatedly? Some of us have that problem and just because we have the same OS and possible the same hardware didn't mean it is impossible. I wish people change that particular mindset and be aware that those problems does exist.
- setr 5y ago
  Because if they can’t reproduce, then much more likely than not, the problem is not inherent to the platform. In this case, there’s probably a deviation in config settings. Additionally if they can’t reproduce, they can’t offer any advice or help. It’s highly unlikely that MacOS behaves specially for your existence.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  You're hugely misreading my intentions. I'm an engineer: I see something unexpected, I want to figure out what's happening. You and I are both using the same software and you're seeing problems that I didn't even know affected some people. I'm not saying "this works for me so I don't know what you're complaining about". I'm saying "huh, this works for me. I wonder what's different between our systems? Is this something that's going to spontaneously start affecting me if I click the wrong toggle somewhere?" Obviously the problem is possible. It's happening to you. I'd like to find out why so that I can troubleshoot and fix the problem if it starts happening to me or my friends or coworkers. And really, I'd like to help you fix it, too, if I could figure out what's causing it.

mschuster91 5y ago

Macports doesn't give you any headaches, it follows Unix principles. Homebrew is a keg of worms, if you excuse the bad pun. Sadly (because it seems to be easier to get started?) many developers prefer it over Macports...

Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
As an end-user, I prefer Homebrew over MacPorts because Homebrew is simpler to get it installed and use in the terminal. MacPorts in other hand, takes some tinkering to get it working. It has problem detecting installed XCode because it was looking for a specific outdated version (this happened last month when I decided to give MacPorts a try and I uninstalled Homebrew before trying it out since both of them cannot co-exist together.) It is likely that it is not the devs prefers it over MacPorts, it is likely that end-users prefers it and the devs are following what the end-users desires. Homebrew have huge catalog of software and libraries than MacPorts.

mlindner 5y ago

A simple right click on the app and selecting the open dialogue and it works fine.

saagarjha 5y ago

This is because Homebrew Cask explicitly adds the quarantine attribute to things it downloads. Perhaps there is some easy way to disable it or patch out this functionality?

crazygringo 5y ago

That's... unusual. I use Homebrew constantly and have never seen such a thing in my life, in any version of macOS/OSX over the past several years. Not in building from source, not in casks. Like another commenter the only security change I have is "Allow apps downloaded from" set to "App store and identified developers" -- which I'd assume virtually every Mac user on HN has also set. Perhaps you have some kind of unusual configuration? Or there's some very specific subcategory of Homebrew packages that encounter this problem?

dimmke 5y ago
Same, I install almost all new software via Homebrew and I've never had this problem.
HandstandMick 5y ago
What works for me is to ignore the trash message, in Finder, find the App, right click open, macOS displays a warning and open prompt, click Open, next time around do the same and post it seems to be fine.

herf 5y ago

Did you install homebrew via a Rosetta Terminal? M1/ARM code is treated more strictly than Intel, so I guess all my command line stuff is Intel.