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And then it's been continued since then for the same reason by every president and Congress on both sides of the aisle? Of course not, even if it started like t

by eloff 6y ago

And then it's been continued since then for the same reason by every president and Congress on both sides of the aisle? Of course not, even if it started like that, and that's a big if hinging solely on the ramblings of a single discredited bureaucrat. That motive just cannot explain the last fifty years of the war on drugs. The reality must be much more complex.

tw04 6y ago
>And then it's been continued since then for the same reason by every president and Congress on both sides of the aisle? Of course not, even if it started like that, and that's a big if hinging solely on the ramblings of a single discredited bureaucrat. Yes. The incarceration rates reflect it. Blacks are DISPROPORTIANATELY penalized by drug offenses, it's not even close.
- eloff 6y ago
  Wat. I mean I agree about the incarceration rates, but that's also a complex topic and can't be dismissed as "racism". But it has nothing to do with what I said. I made an argument and you responded "because racism". You may as well have said "potato".
  - tw04 6y ago
    You said the last 50 years of the war on drugs can't be explained as a means of oppressing people of color. I said the numbers pretty clearly shows it can be explained by exactly that with citations. So at this point I've both made a claim and cited factual references and you've responded with an opinion. Unless you've got something more than that I'll assume you're arguing in bad faith.
    - eloff 6y ago
      If I get this straight you're claiming the war on drugs is chiefly a means of oppressing people of color. For fifty years. Over both Republican and Democratic presidencies and Congress and Senate's. Do you think they're all racist and trying to oppress people of color or do you think maybe there's something else to it? It's pretty obvious that can't be true right? Surely we can agree on that?

by eloff 6y ago

tw04 6y ago

>And then it's been continued since then for the same reason by every president and Congress on both sides of the aisle? Of course not, even if it started like that, and that's a big if hinging solely on the ramblings of a single discredited bureaucrat. Yes. The incarceration rates reflect it. Blacks are DISPROPORTIANATELY penalized by drug offenses, it's not even close.

eloff 6y ago
Wat. I mean I agree about the incarceration rates, but that's also a complex topic and can't be dismissed as "racism". But it has nothing to do with what I said. I made an argument and you responded "because racism". You may as well have said "potato".
- tw04 6y ago
  You said the last 50 years of the war on drugs can't be explained as a means of oppressing people of color. I said the numbers pretty clearly shows it can be explained by exactly that with citations. So at this point I've both made a claim and cited factual references and you've responded with an opinion. Unless you've got something more than that I'll assume you're arguing in bad faith.
  - eloff 6y ago
    If I get this straight you're claiming the war on drugs is chiefly a means of oppressing people of color. For fifty years. Over both Republican and Democratic presidencies and Congress and Senate's. Do you think they're all racist and trying to oppress people of color or do you think maybe there's something else to it? It's pretty obvious that can't be true right? Surely we can agree on that?