> the strange physical effects of the evolved circuits aren't "hidden", they're just outside the model But isn't that all the same -- feels small difference to

> the strange physical effects of the evolved circuits aren't "hidden", they're just outside the model But isn't that all the same -- feels small difference to say it's not "hidden", it's just "outside the model". Go far enough outside the model, and it's as good as hidden. (as opposed to simply going a little outside the model, which is avoided as a mild preference) For example, we don't understand many aspects of the biokinetics of neurotransmitters binding to the active sites of receptors, but the assumption is that in aggregate, things like this are important to our neurochemistry. And this, a million times over for all protein interactions. Things like this are literally still not modellable in a way that's useful to predicting emergent behavior, but despite that, they play a part in how we experience stimuli. For all intents and purposes, this is still "hidden" to us in its complexity. But the environment has nonetheless "selected" (in the evolutionary sense) on the cumulative results for a million years. Sorry, studied biochemistry, so apologies if this seems non-sequitur. It feels quite related to me :)