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I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

by brap 6y ago

matthewdgreen 6y ago
If you violate the various copyright, trademark and patent laws that protect the App Store business model, tech will have no problem instigating the government to use force on you. Ask Corellium or geohot. ETA: The above may sound snarky, but my point is serious. This entire business model exists because of a series of powerful laws that are backed with the threat of force. To pretend that we can just leave the government out of this debate is foolish: it’s already there, enacting policy. There is no opt-out.
Jochim 6y ago
What do you find scary about it? You're comment doesn't help me understand why we should be worried about the government reining them in.
sumedh 6y ago
I find it scary that you trust Apple and Google and others who have admitted that they colluded to not poach employees from one another and suppress wages.
- tracer4201 6y ago
  My own city has suffered from lawlessness, with government rendering law enforcement useless and advocating policies that threaten the safety and welfare of its citizens. Meanwhile, homelessness has skyrocketed and our public parks and other public spaces are dangerous because of aggressive homeless people littering trash, feces, and their drug needles. I trust Apple almost infinitely more than I trust my local government. They can collude about employees all they want, but I would rather have my government run the way Tim Cook runs Apple. I like what Apple delivers. My local government delivers no value, in my opinion, and they’re making the situation worse. In fact, my local government blames big companies and their only solution is to tax us to death. The tax revenue is plundered on a non profit industry whose supposed goals are to help these homeless people, but the majority of their funding goes to paying their own salaries, their executives, and all the overhead. I’m honestly worried about sending my children to school. We’ve now had homeless camps on school grounds. You can shoot heroine on school grounds now. In my mind, government isn’t the answer — it’s actually the source of the rot.
enumjorge 6y ago
What do you suggest as the solution to companies that grow so powerful, that they can break the rules of the free market? That’s why laws exist to curb monopolistic and anti-competitive behavior. Do we just shrug and let it happen?
namarie 6y ago
Because breaking up monopolies has been an accepted function of government for a while?
marcosdumay 6y ago
What governement is going against "tech"? Software distribution isn't "tech", also Google and Apple aren't all that "tech" is. And breaking a monopoly isn't "attacking" a market either. Governments are finally starting to use their force to revitalize the software markets. Destroying monopolies is a large part of it.
29083011397778 6y ago
From my perspective, the people on one side of the issue have made a demand of Apple: Give us ownership of our purchase. Apple declined. Now the people (presumably the same ones) are looking to the government to enforce their will. This sounds precisely how government should work (assuming the people have a large enough majority). Maybe you don't think there's a large enough majority, but if that isn't your argument, what is?
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I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

by brap 6y ago

I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

matthewdgreen 6y ago

If you violate the various copyright, trademark and patent laws that protect the App Store business model, tech will have no problem instigating the government to use force on you. Ask Corellium or geohot. ETA: The above may sound snarky, but my point is serious. This entire business model exists because of a series of powerful laws that are backed with the threat of force. To pretend that we can just leave the government out of this debate is foolish: it’s already there, enacting policy. There is no opt-out.

Jochim 6y ago

What do you find scary about it? You're comment doesn't help me understand why we should be worried about the government reining them in.

sumedh 6y ago

I find it scary that you trust Apple and Google and others who have admitted that they colluded to not poach employees from one another and suppress wages.

tracer4201 6y ago
My own city has suffered from lawlessness, with government rendering law enforcement useless and advocating policies that threaten the safety and welfare of its citizens. Meanwhile, homelessness has skyrocketed and our public parks and other public spaces are dangerous because of aggressive homeless people littering trash, feces, and their drug needles. I trust Apple almost infinitely more than I trust my local government. They can collude about employees all they want, but I would rather have my government run the way Tim Cook runs Apple. I like what Apple delivers. My local government delivers no value, in my opinion, and they’re making the situation worse. In fact, my local government blames big companies and their only solution is to tax us to death. The tax revenue is plundered on a non profit industry whose supposed goals are to help these homeless people, but the majority of their funding goes to paying their own salaries, their executives, and all the overhead. I’m honestly worried about sending my children to school. We’ve now had homeless camps on school grounds. You can shoot heroine on school grounds now. In my mind, government isn’t the answer — it’s actually the source of the rot.

enumjorge 6y ago

What do you suggest as the solution to companies that grow so powerful, that they can break the rules of the free market? That’s why laws exist to curb monopolistic and anti-competitive behavior. Do we just shrug and let it happen?

namarie 6y ago

Because breaking up monopolies has been an accepted function of government for a while?

marcosdumay 6y ago

What governement is going against "tech"? Software distribution isn't "tech", also Google and Apple aren't all that "tech" is. And breaking a monopoly isn't "attacking" a market either. Governments are finally starting to use their force to revitalize the software markets. Destroying monopolies is a large part of it.

29083011397778 6y ago

From my perspective, the people on one side of the issue have made a demand of Apple: Give us ownership of our purchase. Apple declined. Now the people (presumably the same ones) are looking to the government to enforce their will. This sounds precisely how government should work (assuming the people have a large enough majority). Maybe you don't think there's a large enough majority, but if that isn't your argument, what is?

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