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Because mobile computers are the antithesis of personal computers -- you don't get to really own and control the very expensive device you bought. That people

Because mobile computers are the antithesis of personal computers -- you don't get to really own and control the very expensive device you bought. That people accepted this is an example of how truly powerless (or just ignorant) consumers are.

amelius 6y ago
Yeah and those ignorant consumers pull those in the know with them into the abyss.
shoto_io 6y ago
The truth is: No one cares. I mean, very few people really care. Mobile phones have been able to bring computation to the masses, including poor countries. PCs were a luxury item even in the Western World. Accessibility and standardization have been the driver of this change, not customization. After all, mobile phones are now sort of a mass product like TVs back then. No one really "owned" a TV either. You can call these masses ignorant, but I think most just want to live a good life with a handy tool that works.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  No one cares, until they do, and it's too late. A chain does not stop being a chain just because your master hasn't yanked it yet. Apple pulls police-tracking app used by Hong Kong protesters after consulting authorities - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/apple-pulls-police-tracking-app-used-hong-kong-protesters-after-n1064506 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/apple-pulls-police-tracki...
  - rsa25519 6y ago
    Good thing that Android allows side-loading apps
    - al_chemist 6y ago
      > allows That word is blackli^Wblocklisted in Google developer documentation style guide. https://developers.google.com/style/word-list https://developers.google.com/style/word-list
Arnt 6y ago
Well, who's "you"? 20-25 years ago, "you" (whoever was able to run software, as well as whoever had momentary physical access) got to really control the expensive device "you" (the buyer) bought. That wasn't so great for the buyer, and it would have been even worse now. That naïve security model would not do well against today's sophisticated threats. IMO, the android/iphone state is a clear improvement, and we're not going to get another improvement until the people who dislike the current state stop confusing "you" and "you". Only then will we get enough clear thinking on the subject to work out another improvement.
- frosted-flakes 6y ago
  What does that have to do with restricting the use of screenshots?
  - Arnt 6y ago
    Screenshots are made by performing an API call, or a sequence of call. Calls to that API are subject to a security model that's intended to protect the device's owner (or ordinary user) from malevolent programs or momentary users.
missedthecue 6y ago
its not that they're 'powerless'. It's that 99.8% of people just don't care. They want it the way it is.

amelius 6y ago

Yeah and those ignorant consumers pull those in the know with them into the abyss.

shoto_io 6y ago

The truth is: No one cares. I mean, very few people really care. Mobile phones have been able to bring computation to the masses, including poor countries. PCs were a luxury item even in the Western World. Accessibility and standardization have been the driver of this change, not customization. After all, mobile phones are now sort of a mass product like TVs back then. No one really "owned" a TV either. You can call these masses ignorant, but I think most just want to live a good life with a handy tool that works.

MikeUt 6y ago
No one cares, until they do, and it's too late. A chain does not stop being a chain just because your master hasn't yanked it yet. Apple pulls police-tracking app used by Hong Kong protesters after consulting authorities - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/apple-pulls-police-tracking-app-used-hong-kong-protesters-after-n1064506 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/apple-pulls-police-tracki...
- rsa25519 6y ago
  Good thing that Android allows side-loading apps
  - al_chemist 6y ago
    > allows That word is blackli^Wblocklisted in Google developer documentation style guide. https://developers.google.com/style/word-list https://developers.google.com/style/word-list

Arnt 6y ago

Well, who's "you"? 20-25 years ago, "you" (whoever was able to run software, as well as whoever had momentary physical access) got to really control the expensive device "you" (the buyer) bought. That wasn't so great for the buyer, and it would have been even worse now. That naïve security model would not do well against today's sophisticated threats. IMO, the android/iphone state is a clear improvement, and we're not going to get another improvement until the people who dislike the current state stop confusing "you" and "you". Only then will we get enough clear thinking on the subject to work out another improvement.

frosted-flakes 6y ago
What does that have to do with restricting the use of screenshots?
- Arnt 6y ago
  Screenshots are made by performing an API call, or a sequence of call. Calls to that API are subject to a security model that's intended to protect the device's owner (or ordinary user) from malevolent programs or momentary users.

missedthecue 6y ago

its not that they're 'powerless'. It's that 99.8% of people just don't care. They want it the way it is.