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Very useful reading for anyone writing a Forth, and some interesting reading if you're curious about how different Forths are run or 'threaded'.

by veltas 6y ago

ilaksh 6y ago
It seems like there should be a clarification in the article about the difference in the use of the term. These are not threads at all in the more typical sense used more in computing today.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Good point, that could be the source of confusion! The "Threaded" in "Threaded Interpretive Language" has a very different meaning than operating system or cpu "thread". https://wiki.c2.com/?ThreadedInterpretiveLanguage https://wiki.c2.com/?ThreadedInterpretiveLanguage >A ThreadedInterpreter is an interpreter written using a technique called threading (not to be confused with threads for concurrency) that entwines the 'get next instruction' operation of the interpreter with the actual instruction. This reduces the 'get next instruction' overhead and generally results in a 10% performance increase. [...] >An excellent work on this subject, containing a complete TIL implementation for the Z-80, is Loeliger's book ("Threaded Interpretive Languages" R.G. Loeliger, Byte Books 1981, ISBN 0-07-038360-X). I have a copy (I should have bought three) that I picked up in the years of Forth's waning "public" popularity. I've seldom had a such a lucid book that described the implementation details of a language. "Threaded Interpretive Languages: Their Design and Implementation", by R.G. Loeliger: https://archive.org/details/R.G.LoeligerThreadedInterpretiveLanguagesTheirDesignAndImplementationByteBooks1981 https://archive.org/details/R.G.LoeligerThreadedInterpretive... Some FORTHs do support the typical modern sense of "green threads" but they usually call them "tasks". "FORTH MULTITASKING IN A NUTSHELL" http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/mtasking.html http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/mtasking.html "multi-tasking: GForth Reference implementation of multi-tasking standard proposal" https://theforth.net/package/multi-tasking https://theforth.net/package/multi-tasking p. 26: "Multi-Tasking Part I, Henry Laxen" http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N4.pdf http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N4.pdf p. 37: "Multi-Tasking Part II, Henry Laxen" http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N5.pdf http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N5.pdf
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Very useful reading for anyone writing a Forth, and some interesting reading if you're curious about how different Forths are run or 'threaded'.

by veltas 6y ago

Very useful reading for anyone writing a Forth, and some interesting reading if you're curious about how different Forths are run or 'threaded'.

ilaksh 6y ago

It seems like there should be a clarification in the article about the difference in the use of the term. These are not threads at all in the more typical sense used more in computing today.

DonHopkins 6y ago
Good point, that could be the source of confusion! The "Threaded" in "Threaded Interpretive Language" has a very different meaning than operating system or cpu "thread". https://wiki.c2.com/?ThreadedInterpretiveLanguage https://wiki.c2.com/?ThreadedInterpretiveLanguage >A ThreadedInterpreter is an interpreter written using a technique called threading (not to be confused with threads for concurrency) that entwines the 'get next instruction' operation of the interpreter with the actual instruction. This reduces the 'get next instruction' overhead and generally results in a 10% performance increase. [...] >An excellent work on this subject, containing a complete TIL implementation for the Z-80, is Loeliger's book ("Threaded Interpretive Languages" R.G. Loeliger, Byte Books 1981, ISBN 0-07-038360-X). I have a copy (I should have bought three) that I picked up in the years of Forth's waning "public" popularity. I've seldom had a such a lucid book that described the implementation details of a language. "Threaded Interpretive Languages: Their Design and Implementation", by R.G. Loeliger: https://archive.org/details/R.G.LoeligerThreadedInterpretiveLanguagesTheirDesignAndImplementationByteBooks1981 https://archive.org/details/R.G.LoeligerThreadedInterpretive... Some FORTHs do support the typical modern sense of "green threads" but they usually call them "tasks". "FORTH MULTITASKING IN A NUTSHELL" http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/mtasking.html http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/mtasking.html "multi-tasking: GForth Reference implementation of multi-tasking standard proposal" https://theforth.net/package/multi-tasking https://theforth.net/package/multi-tasking p. 26: "Multi-Tasking Part I, Henry Laxen" http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N4.pdf http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N4.pdf p. 37: "Multi-Tasking Part II, Henry Laxen" http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N5.pdf http://www.forth.org/fd/FD-V05N5.pdf
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