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But i think it's OK to install the software just on a laptop you'd use to take tests, some old laptop, and keep yourself free of surveillance otherwise right? I

But i think it's OK to install the software just on a laptop you'd use to take tests, some old laptop, and keep yourself free of surveillance otherwise right? If so, i can't see how is it a problem: someone absolutely has to be watched while taking a test. But if it's during whole education process, then yeah, it's ridiculous and worth fighting against.

daemin 6y ago
For some people "some old laptop" is all they actually have. I don't imagine a lot of students have both a desktop, a laptop, and "some old laptop" that they can use, so the software will get installed on the single computer they use (or share) to get their studies done on.
eythian 6y ago
Not everyone has an old laptop lying around they can use for such a purpose.
DoreenMichele 6y ago
But i think it's OK to install the software just on a laptop you'd use to take tests, some old laptop, and keep yourself free of surveillance otherwise right? That's a fairly classist assumption that someone has multiple devices, including some older piece of junk that's late model enough to be useful for test taking but still essentially a "throw away." It implicitly means that adequate right to privacy is only reserved for wealthy kids and not for anyone who only has one computer. That's not to suggest that I support this assumption even in cases where it's true. I'm just trying to point out a common blind spot that leads comfortably well-off people to often act with callous disregard towards those who have less because it isn't a big problem for themselves.
mkl 6y ago
The software is only running during the test. Most students install it on their main laptop, and they don't seem to have much problem with that. It runs with elevated privileges (so it can make sure it's the only program running), and it's proprietary, both of which I have objections to, but unless I'm missing something and Proctorio is quite different from the software I've used, I don't see much problem with it. In Covid-19 times everyone puts up with things they don't like.
- anovikov 6y ago
  OK then at all, i can't see the problem. Unless there is a reasonable suspicion that it's malware and infects your machine with something that still keeps tabs on you when it's as if not running.
em-bee 6y ago
it's pretty unrealistic to expect everyone to have a spare laptop around.
- GordonS 6y ago
  Assuming you have enough RAM, I guess you could run it in a VM.
  - 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y ago
    Programs like this usually attempt to detect and forbid being run in a VM.
    - em-bee 6y ago
      instead, an actually workable solution would be dual booting. that only needs some disk space. only downside is that it's a bit tricky to set up if you want to dual-boot two windows systems.

daemin 6y ago

For some people "some old laptop" is all they actually have. I don't imagine a lot of students have both a desktop, a laptop, and "some old laptop" that they can use, so the software will get installed on the single computer they use (or share) to get their studies done on.

eythian 6y ago

Not everyone has an old laptop lying around they can use for such a purpose.

DoreenMichele 6y ago

But i think it's OK to install the software just on a laptop you'd use to take tests, some old laptop, and keep yourself free of surveillance otherwise right? That's a fairly classist assumption that someone has multiple devices, including some older piece of junk that's late model enough to be useful for test taking but still essentially a "throw away." It implicitly means that adequate right to privacy is only reserved for wealthy kids and not for anyone who only has one computer. That's not to suggest that I support this assumption even in cases where it's true. I'm just trying to point out a common blind spot that leads comfortably well-off people to often act with callous disregard towards those who have less because it isn't a big problem for themselves.

mkl 6y ago

The software is only running during the test. Most students install it on their main laptop, and they don't seem to have much problem with that. It runs with elevated privileges (so it can make sure it's the only program running), and it's proprietary, both of which I have objections to, but unless I'm missing something and Proctorio is quite different from the software I've used, I don't see much problem with it. In Covid-19 times everyone puts up with things they don't like.

anovikov 6y ago
OK then at all, i can't see the problem. Unless there is a reasonable suspicion that it's malware and infects your machine with something that still keeps tabs on you when it's as if not running.

em-bee 6y ago

it's pretty unrealistic to expect everyone to have a spare laptop around.

GordonS 6y ago
Assuming you have enough RAM, I guess you could run it in a VM.
- 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y ago
  Programs like this usually attempt to detect and forbid being run in a VM.
  - em-bee 6y ago
    instead, an actually workable solution would be dual booting. that only needs some disk space. only downside is that it's a bit tricky to set up if you want to dual-boot two windows systems.