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Tinnitus reports grow amid Covid-19 vaccinations

37 points by miles 6y ago

sparker72678 6y ago
This article was published March 11th. There have been many tens of millions of people who have received vaccinations since then. Is there anything with more recent data to shed more light on this, one way or the other?
jquaint 6y ago
> The U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database cites 152 reports of tinnitus among 25,072 COVID-19 recipients of vaccines from Pfizer-BioNtech and Moderna. Pointing out here that this reporting system (VAERS) is not an official scientific source of vaccine effects[1]. These reports are completely self reported with no follow up/verification. You can basically report any symptoms and it will get accepted. Take this case: > Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database, but the dubious nature thereof prompted a VAERS representative to contact Mr. Laidler, who then gave his consent to delete the report[2] So there actually has been no study here to see if there is a link been the vaccine and tinnitus. Its possible that these people developed tinnitus independent of the vaccine. Often VAERS is used by anti-vaxxer's to spread misinformation. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2LV0NY https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reportin...
tsoukase 6y ago
We should wait a couple of months. If these (quasi)neurological complications persist after 3 months, they can become permanent and debilitating. If not, then they are nothing
- nikolay 6y ago
  Lucky for me, I've had tinnitus for over a decade now (thanks to sitting right next to a loud server for years), so, it won't make it any worse than it already is... hopefully.
  - airhead969 6y ago
    I wonder if that's an OSHA violation or a workplaced-caused disability.
    - nikolay 6y ago
      It sure was, but I was stupid back then.
      - permo-w 6y ago
        I think they’re implying that you may have a case for a lawsuit
        nikolay 6y ago
        Yes, sure, but the company is long-gone, and I should've documented that better. Now, the damage is here, and it's pretty bothering - I've tried supplements, but there's no improvement.
- just-ok 6y ago
  Wait, are you saying should wait for them to become permanent before stepping in, or step in now and wait for them to not be permanent before resuming?
Havoc 6y ago
Alternate theory - more people at home spending entire day wearing headphones
- 22c 6y ago
  I have noticed in my own life, particularly in the last 3-4 months, more instances of tinnitus. I suspect in my case it is as you say; working from home with headphones on all day for ~12 months has started to catch up to me.
- Marsymars 6y ago
  Is that really a thing? At home I can play speakers at low volume vs. needing headphones to drown out office background noise.
  - manwe150 6y ago
    I’ve heard a very high pitched hissing tone since mid-February. My personal theory is that it has possibly been the lack of noise / change in noise that amplified my perception of this frequency. I couldn’t find much information online, other than just ignore it and it should fade or focus on it and it will likely self-reinforce.
    - airhead969 6y ago
      1. Have you experienced any extremely loud noises lately? COVID-fatigue clubbing, boredom chainsaw sculpting, or unprotected firearms shooting? 2. Do you use earbud-type headphones? 3. Have you taken any powerful antibiotics, large quantities of aspirin, NSAIDs, loop diuretics, or viagra lately? 4. How old are you? 5. Did you have meningitis recently?
  - AfterShave 6y ago
    Same for me. The low sound levels of being alone at home are so much more comfortable than at an office with even one person speaking. It's by far the best part of working from home.
- 6y ago
pcthrowaway 6y ago
I suspect tinnitus is one of those conditions you're more likely to realize you have when you start listening for it. Being told it's a potential side effect of a vaccination you just had might be a reason to start listening for it.
- airhead969 6y ago
  Do you hear Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Have you recently had a COVID-19 vaccine? You maybe entitled to money for damages to your hearing. Call us right now at 1-800-AMB-CHSR for a free consultation.
photoGrant 6y ago
Haven't had the vaccine yet, had same increase of tinnitus in the past year. I blame an overuse of noise-cancelling headphones. Been at the front-line of festivals for the past ~8 years and haven't had this level of frequency before (interval and pitch!)
- airhead969 6y ago
  Bose QC35 v1 ANC helped my tinnitus. Haven't had much exposure to loud noises lately, and my tinnitus is worse than ever. It's what I hear the most 24/7. I can't explain it, but the headphones reduce stimuli and somehow quiet it all down.
airhead969 6y ago
I'm getting the make-you-sick-for-48-hours 2nd Moderna shot tomorrow. And, a high-res CT scan in 2 days of my left inner ear. Interestingly, I just went to an audiologist last week where they said my hearing was on the high-end of normal except for high frequencies. Unfortunately, I have terrible tinnitus already (Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee), hear my left eye move, hear my voice (rather than voices) in my head (autophony), and hear my pulse when elevated. It's likely SCDS or another dehiscence. Also have misophonia (can't stand when people scrape their forks on their teeth). For more vestibular fun: Tullio phenomenon and pulse-synchronous oscillopsia. Oh yeah, and lots of intermittent but chronic ear pain.
wooptoo 6y ago
Tinnitus can also be induced by certain drugs such as aspirin or ibuprofen. https://www.ata.org/sites/default/files/Drugs%20and%20Tinnitus%20-%20Neil%20Bauman%20PhD%20-%20April%20%2709.pdf https://www.ata.org/sites/default/files/Drugs%20and%20Tinnit...
dannyphantom 6y ago
Interesting article. Reminded me of the Texas Roadhouse CEO. > After surviving a bout with covid-19, Texas Roadhouse CEO Kent Taylor’s post-infection symptoms grew increasingly painful. Taylor was beset in particular with a severe case of tinnitus — a loud buzzing or ringing in the ears that can be debilitating. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/22/texas-roadhouse-kent-taylor-suicide/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/22/texas-roadh...

37 points by miles 6y ago

This article was published March 11th. There have been many tens of millions of people who have received vaccinations since then. Is there anything with more recent data to shed more light on this, one way or the other?

jquaint 6y ago

> The U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database cites 152 reports of tinnitus among 25,072 COVID-19 recipients of vaccines from Pfizer-BioNtech and Moderna. Pointing out here that this reporting system (VAERS) is not an official scientific source of vaccine effects[1]. These reports are completely self reported with no follow up/verification. You can basically report any symptoms and it will get accepted. Take this case: > Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database, but the dubious nature thereof prompted a VAERS representative to contact Mr. Laidler, who then gave his consent to delete the report[2] So there actually has been no study here to see if there is a link been the vaccine and tinnitus. Its possible that these people developed tinnitus independent of the vaccine. Often VAERS is used by anti-vaxxer's to spread misinformation. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2LV0NY https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reportin...

tsoukase 6y ago

We should wait a couple of months. If these (quasi)neurological complications persist after 3 months, they can become permanent and debilitating. If not, then they are nothing

nikolay 6y ago
Lucky for me, I've had tinnitus for over a decade now (thanks to sitting right next to a loud server for years), so, it won't make it any worse than it already is... hopefully.
- airhead969 6y ago
  I wonder if that's an OSHA violation or a workplaced-caused disability.
  - nikolay 6y ago
    It sure was, but I was stupid back then.
    - permo-w 6y ago
      I think they’re implying that you may have a case for a lawsuit
      - nikolay 6y ago
        Yes, sure, but the company is long-gone, and I should've documented that better. Now, the damage is here, and it's pretty bothering - I've tried supplements, but there's no improvement.
just-ok 6y ago
Wait, are you saying should wait for them to become permanent before stepping in, or step in now and wait for them to not be permanent before resuming?

Havoc 6y ago

Alternate theory - more people at home spending entire day wearing headphones

22c 6y ago
I have noticed in my own life, particularly in the last 3-4 months, more instances of tinnitus. I suspect in my case it is as you say; working from home with headphones on all day for ~12 months has started to catch up to me.
Marsymars 6y ago
Is that really a thing? At home I can play speakers at low volume vs. needing headphones to drown out office background noise.
- manwe150 6y ago
  I’ve heard a very high pitched hissing tone since mid-February. My personal theory is that it has possibly been the lack of noise / change in noise that amplified my perception of this frequency. I couldn’t find much information online, other than just ignore it and it should fade or focus on it and it will likely self-reinforce.
  - airhead969 6y ago
    1. Have you experienced any extremely loud noises lately? COVID-fatigue clubbing, boredom chainsaw sculpting, or unprotected firearms shooting? 2. Do you use earbud-type headphones? 3. Have you taken any powerful antibiotics, large quantities of aspirin, NSAIDs, loop diuretics, or viagra lately? 4. How old are you? 5. Did you have meningitis recently?
- AfterShave 6y ago
  Same for me. The low sound levels of being alone at home are so much more comfortable than at an office with even one person speaking. It's by far the best part of working from home.
6y ago

pcthrowaway 6y ago

I suspect tinnitus is one of those conditions you're more likely to realize you have when you start listening for it. Being told it's a potential side effect of a vaccination you just had might be a reason to start listening for it.

airhead969 6y ago
Do you hear Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Have you recently had a COVID-19 vaccine? You maybe entitled to money for damages to your hearing. Call us right now at 1-800-AMB-CHSR for a free consultation.

photoGrant 6y ago

Haven't had the vaccine yet, had same increase of tinnitus in the past year. I blame an overuse of noise-cancelling headphones. Been at the front-line of festivals for the past ~8 years and haven't had this level of frequency before (interval and pitch!)

airhead969 6y ago
Bose QC35 v1 ANC helped my tinnitus. Haven't had much exposure to loud noises lately, and my tinnitus is worse than ever. It's what I hear the most 24/7. I can't explain it, but the headphones reduce stimuli and somehow quiet it all down.

airhead969 6y ago

I'm getting the make-you-sick-for-48-hours 2nd Moderna shot tomorrow. And, a high-res CT scan in 2 days of my left inner ear. Interestingly, I just went to an audiologist last week where they said my hearing was on the high-end of normal except for high frequencies. Unfortunately, I have terrible tinnitus already (Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee), hear my left eye move, hear my voice (rather than voices) in my head (autophony), and hear my pulse when elevated. It's likely SCDS or another dehiscence. Also have misophonia (can't stand when people scrape their forks on their teeth). For more vestibular fun: Tullio phenomenon and pulse-synchronous oscillopsia. Oh yeah, and lots of intermittent but chronic ear pain.

wooptoo 6y ago

Tinnitus can also be induced by certain drugs such as aspirin or ibuprofen. https://www.ata.org/sites/default/files/Drugs%20and%20Tinnitus%20-%20Neil%20Bauman%20PhD%20-%20April%20%2709.pdf https://www.ata.org/sites/default/files/Drugs%20and%20Tinnit...

dannyphantom 6y ago

Interesting article. Reminded me of the Texas Roadhouse CEO. > After surviving a bout with covid-19, Texas Roadhouse CEO Kent Taylor’s post-infection symptoms grew increasingly painful. Taylor was beset in particular with a severe case of tinnitus — a loud buzzing or ringing in the ears that can be debilitating. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/22/texas-roadhouse-kent-taylor-suicide/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/22/texas-roadh...