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You do realise that a lot of people in Russia want to get rid of Putin too? And neither dictator will live forever, both are in their late 60s.

ramtatatam 6y ago
I'm reading about people wanting to get rid of Putin since at least 2010, the sad reality 10 years later is that he is still there...
- viraptor 6y ago
  I don't think anyone who wants to get rid of Putin expected a change on the same day and gives up if that doesn't work. It will take time and a lot of work. (Unless they want an assassination)
  - ramtatatam 6y ago
    Nobody says that expectation is to change the dictator the same day, it's simple statement of fact, that it's much easier said than done.
pjc50 6y ago
> both are in their late 60s. Joe Biden (78) just replaced Donald Trump (74). Prince Phillip died at the age of 99. Putin has a long way to go on natural lifespan.
T-A 6y ago
35% of Russians disapprove of Putin, according to this: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ 41% of Americans disapprove of Biden, according to this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
- mariksolo 6y ago
  I personally don't have a ton of trust in polls like that (referring to the Russian one). It is a strong claim to make that Putin is more popular in Russia than Biden in the US.
  - anovikov 6y ago
    It's not a strong claim. He is absolutely a lot more popular. Popularity doesn't work in the same way as in the U.S., in the Orthodox culture where there is no concept of independent opinion: doublethink is innate. Russian thinking is wholly totalitarian, in the good old Hitleresque sense (while ofc, Russian state is absolutely NOT totalitarian, it's just a soft dictatorship not unlike vast majority of governments in the poor world). Totalitarian thinking means that Putin is "us", i.e. government, State overall, country, nation, and society are the same, they are inseparable: most Russians could not explain how is "society" is different from "state", or discard the whole concept of "society" as Western weed. Rejecting Putin thus means self-rejecting. Very few people can even think of it.
myth_drannon 6y ago
That's assuming Putin is alive and it's not just the 5 doubles we see.

ramtatatam 6y ago

I'm reading about people wanting to get rid of Putin since at least 2010, the sad reality 10 years later is that he is still there...

viraptor 6y ago
I don't think anyone who wants to get rid of Putin expected a change on the same day and gives up if that doesn't work. It will take time and a lot of work. (Unless they want an assassination)
- ramtatatam 6y ago
  Nobody says that expectation is to change the dictator the same day, it's simple statement of fact, that it's much easier said than done.

pjc50 6y ago

> both are in their late 60s. Joe Biden (78) just replaced Donald Trump (74). Prince Phillip died at the age of 99. Putin has a long way to go on natural lifespan.

T-A 6y ago

35% of Russians disapprove of Putin, according to this: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ 41% of Americans disapprove of Biden, according to this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

mariksolo 6y ago
I personally don't have a ton of trust in polls like that (referring to the Russian one). It is a strong claim to make that Putin is more popular in Russia than Biden in the US.
- anovikov 6y ago
  It's not a strong claim. He is absolutely a lot more popular. Popularity doesn't work in the same way as in the U.S., in the Orthodox culture where there is no concept of independent opinion: doublethink is innate. Russian thinking is wholly totalitarian, in the good old Hitleresque sense (while ofc, Russian state is absolutely NOT totalitarian, it's just a soft dictatorship not unlike vast majority of governments in the poor world). Totalitarian thinking means that Putin is "us", i.e. government, State overall, country, nation, and society are the same, they are inseparable: most Russians could not explain how is "society" is different from "state", or discard the whole concept of "society" as Western weed. Rejecting Putin thus means self-rejecting. Very few people can even think of it.

myth_drannon 6y ago

That's assuming Putin is alive and it's not just the 5 doubles we see.