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In time I expect all OSes (mobile and desktop) will provide a "give false data" option. So Sandboxed+false inputs, sort of a digital Descartes deceiver. Becaus

In time I expect all OSes (mobile and desktop) will provide a "give false data" option. So Sandboxed+false inputs, sort of a digital Descartes deceiver. Because you know the slimy app developers will refuse to work if you don't hand over your full contact list. and people will just accept that. So the end game is a completely adversarial relationship, even on your own device.

GrinningFool 5y ago
> In time I expect all OSes (mobile and desktop) How much time? This has been a thing in one form or another since j2me. Some j2me platforms actually supported this kind of behavior, but that was all lost once Android and iOS came along. Same with fine-grained permissions over network access (eg, user having complete control over what networks/etc an app can access). We /had/ all of this in the days of BlackBerry, and lost it. Nobody wants to give it back now.
- spitfire 5y ago
  That's a good question. We know exactly what technical solutions are needed to counter this adversarial activity. What social tipping point needs to happen for those to be implemented? How can we lower the social bar for that to happen? I have no clue. I'm almost always wrong on the social side of things.
- AshamedCaptain 5y ago
  I didn't know that (Blackberry). I would like to know about it, if you have any links.
  - GrinningFool 5y ago
    All current info is about BB os 10, which did not provide this policy; but I can attest to it as a former owner and app developer for their their java-based OS (through 7.1). Whenever an application attempted to access a network, you would be given a prompt to approve/always approve/deny; and you had pretty fine-grained controls beyond that. This link has some screenshots and gives an idea of the capabilities. Adblock recommended: https://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-application-permissions https://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-application-permission...

GrinningFool 5y ago

> In time I expect all OSes (mobile and desktop) How much time? This has been a thing in one form or another since j2me. Some j2me platforms actually supported this kind of behavior, but that was all lost once Android and iOS came along. Same with fine-grained permissions over network access (eg, user having complete control over what networks/etc an app can access). We /had/ all of this in the days of BlackBerry, and lost it. Nobody wants to give it back now.

spitfire 5y ago
That's a good question. We know exactly what technical solutions are needed to counter this adversarial activity. What social tipping point needs to happen for those to be implemented? How can we lower the social bar for that to happen? I have no clue. I'm almost always wrong on the social side of things.
AshamedCaptain 5y ago
I didn't know that (Blackberry). I would like to know about it, if you have any links.
- GrinningFool 5y ago
  All current info is about BB os 10, which did not provide this policy; but I can attest to it as a former owner and app developer for their their java-based OS (through 7.1). Whenever an application attempted to access a network, you would be given a prompt to approve/always approve/deny; and you had pretty fine-grained controls beyond that. This link has some screenshots and gives an idea of the capabilities. Adblock recommended: https://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-application-permissions https://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-application-permission...