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I mentally tune out anyone who uses the word "elitist". To me, it's one of the clearest signs that they're arguing using prejudices rather than evidence.

notlukesky 5y ago
Taylor Lorenz attended a 90 thousand a year high school. Is that not elitist? https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/status/1369653913121677315?lang=en https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/status/13696539131216773...
- afavour 5y ago
  Why not discuss the actual coverage rather than attack the journalist?
  - 1cvmask 5y ago
    From the article below: The profound pathologies driving all of this were on full display on Saturday night as the result of a reckless and self-humiliating smear campaign by one of The New York Times’ star tech reporters, Taylor Lorenz. She falsely and very publicly accused Silicon Valley entrepreneur and investor Marc Andreessen of having used the “slur” word “retarded” during a discussion about the Reddit/GameStop uprising. Lorenz lied. Andreessen never used that word. And rather than apologize and retract it, she justified her mistake by claiming it was a “male voice” that sounded like his, then locked her Twitter account as though she — rather than the person she falsely maligned — was the victim. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale-and-censorship https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale...
  - kgog 5y ago
    Because that's not what HN (and its ideological libertarian crowd) does.
- nova22033 5y ago
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist one who is an adherent of elitism : one whose attitudes and beliefs are biased in favor of a socially elite class of people I don't care much for her coverage but she's attacking a company whose CEO is worth a lot of money. Hard to say any of the people being criticized isn't part of the elite
  - kgog 5y ago
    Exactly. I love Lorenz's work (flawed as it may be[0]) in dismantling or at the very least shining a light on the hypocrisy and double-standards of the SV elites[1]. [0] I dare anyone to point me to a flawless employee regardless of their employer or job title. [1] Just google her name you'll find plenty of coverage of (predominately) white, old VC dudes unleashing their followers on her.
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- jmull 5y ago
  That is not. Surely it’s obvious that the high-school your parents sent you to could influence your attitudes later in life, but they don’t define them? (BTW, I don’t know who Taylor Lorenz is, and don’t really care. I’m just surprised by this reasoning.)
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  It’s not that it’s impossible to be what one could fairly describe as an elitist - it’s just one of those words that’s widely known to cast more heat than light. “Taylor Lorenz writes as though the social norms she’s familiar with are universal”, for example, is a less confrontational way to express the same thought.

notlukesky 5y ago

Taylor Lorenz attended a 90 thousand a year high school. Is that not elitist? https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/status/1369653913121677315?lang=en https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/status/13696539131216773...

afavour 5y ago
Why not discuss the actual coverage rather than attack the journalist?
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  From the article below: The profound pathologies driving all of this were on full display on Saturday night as the result of a reckless and self-humiliating smear campaign by one of The New York Times’ star tech reporters, Taylor Lorenz. She falsely and very publicly accused Silicon Valley entrepreneur and investor Marc Andreessen of having used the “slur” word “retarded” during a discussion about the Reddit/GameStop uprising. Lorenz lied. Andreessen never used that word. And rather than apologize and retract it, she justified her mistake by claiming it was a “male voice” that sounded like his, then locked her Twitter account as though she — rather than the person she falsely maligned — was the victim. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale-and-censorship https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale...
- kgog 5y ago
  Because that's not what HN (and its ideological libertarian crowd) does.
nova22033 5y ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist one who is an adherent of elitism : one whose attitudes and beliefs are biased in favor of a socially elite class of people I don't care much for her coverage but she's attacking a company whose CEO is worth a lot of money. Hard to say any of the people being criticized isn't part of the elite
- kgog 5y ago
  Exactly. I love Lorenz's work (flawed as it may be[0]) in dismantling or at the very least shining a light on the hypocrisy and double-standards of the SV elites[1]. [0] I dare anyone to point me to a flawless employee regardless of their employer or job title. [1] Just google her name you'll find plenty of coverage of (predominately) white, old VC dudes unleashing their followers on her.
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jmull 5y ago
That is not. Surely it’s obvious that the high-school your parents sent you to could influence your attitudes later in life, but they don’t define them? (BTW, I don’t know who Taylor Lorenz is, and don’t really care. I’m just surprised by this reasoning.)
SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
It’s not that it’s impossible to be what one could fairly describe as an elitist - it’s just one of those words that’s widely known to cast more heat than light. “Taylor Lorenz writes as though the social norms she’s familiar with are universal”, for example, is a less confrontational way to express the same thought.