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One word. Microsoft, if them AMD and ARM are onboard that's it. Remember nVidia is an ARM licensor/developer

sitkack 15y ago
AMD is definitely not on board with Microsoft taking over the scene. AMD is 100% behind standards, standards like OpenCL. Look at the way MS implemented their AMP C++ GPU story, http://herbsutter.com/2011/06/16/c-amp-keynote/ http://herbsutter.com/2011/06/16/c-amp-keynote/ that looks to me like it targets and has all the limitations of DirectCompute (MS specific GPGPU). If MS really wants to make this a standard then most likely AMD will implement that standard using Open64 (http://www.open64.net/ http://www.open64.net/) and emit OpenCL kernels which will be handed off to their device specific OpenCL compilers. I don't think MS has the power you give it credit for.
- VaporGhost 15y ago
  Think of it this way. OpenCL like OpenGL is an API that says you can build it however you want so long as it comply's with this standard. DirectX and DirectCompute are the same. Despite their vast architectural difference both AMD and nVidia GPU's work on them just fine, All FSAIL does is bring it all closer to the metal and encompasses the CPU as well, (instead of just GPU alone). You're telling me Microsoft (still OS marketshare leader) want's to split arch dev teams between x86,ARM or whatever else the future brings. They'll probably come up with their own version of FSAIL but I think they'd be stupid if they weren't on board (at least with their own version).
- Create 15y ago
  MS has money, which most people accept. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:AMD_K5_PR166_Front.jpg https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:AMD_K5_P... btw: there is a story about a company committed to Open stuff (Linux, Qt), just to [d|b]itch it.
  - sitkack 15y ago
    We are nearly in a post MS reality. It is like 1988 all over again. DR Dos, DESQview, GEOS they are all back in way with iOS, Android (which oddly enough is more Newton influenced than iOS). The Win95 logo on a K5 doesn't bother me, Nokia doing really stupid stuff is indicative that they didn't have any solid competition for a great long while and went batshit insane. I had reports from Finnish friends that claimed that Nokia acted like they owned the whole damn country and make or break any law it pleased. When that kind of hubris implodes you best not be standing too close. They could have made a tidy sum selling well built yet simple Android powered phones to the worlds bottom 2 Billion People while attacking the verticals underserved by Nextel and Blackberry's gaffs. HTC owns the mainstream sexy-as-hell phone market. I would not try or want to compete with HTC. AMD is above all this buffoonery, they are about to license their IP and throw it to the wind. And ARM might just end up managing the portfolio.

AMD is definitely not on board with Microsoft taking over the scene. AMD is 100% behind standards, standards like OpenCL. Look at the way MS implemented their AMP C++ GPU story, http://herbsutter.com/2011/06/16/c-amp-keynote/ http://herbsutter.com/2011/06/16/c-amp-keynote/ that looks to me like it targets and has all the limitations of DirectCompute (MS specific GPGPU). If MS really wants to make this a standard then most likely AMD will implement that standard using Open64 (http://www.open64.net/ http://www.open64.net/) and emit OpenCL kernels which will be handed off to their device specific OpenCL compilers. I don't think MS has the power you give it credit for.

VaporGhost 15y ago
Think of it this way. OpenCL like OpenGL is an API that says you can build it however you want so long as it comply's with this standard. DirectX and DirectCompute are the same. Despite their vast architectural difference both AMD and nVidia GPU's work on them just fine, All FSAIL does is bring it all closer to the metal and encompasses the CPU as well, (instead of just GPU alone). You're telling me Microsoft (still OS marketshare leader) want's to split arch dev teams between x86,ARM or whatever else the future brings. They'll probably come up with their own version of FSAIL but I think they'd be stupid if they weren't on board (at least with their own version).
Create 15y ago
MS has money, which most people accept. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:AMD_K5_PR166_Front.jpg https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:AMD_K5_P... btw: there is a story about a company committed to Open stuff (Linux, Qt), just to [d|b]itch it.
- sitkack 15y ago
  We are nearly in a post MS reality. It is like 1988 all over again. DR Dos, DESQview, GEOS they are all back in way with iOS, Android (which oddly enough is more Newton influenced than iOS). The Win95 logo on a K5 doesn't bother me, Nokia doing really stupid stuff is indicative that they didn't have any solid competition for a great long while and went batshit insane. I had reports from Finnish friends that claimed that Nokia acted like they owned the whole damn country and make or break any law it pleased. When that kind of hubris implodes you best not be standing too close. They could have made a tidy sum selling well built yet simple Android powered phones to the worlds bottom 2 Billion People while attacking the verticals underserved by Nextel and Blackberry's gaffs. HTC owns the mainstream sexy-as-hell phone market. I would not try or want to compete with HTC. AMD is above all this buffoonery, they are about to license their IP and throw it to the wind. And ARM might just end up managing the portfolio.