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I’m pretty sure a lot of people enjoy living in those neighborhoods. Surely if no one actually liked living in those neighborhoods it wouldn’t still be the idea

I’m pretty sure a lot of people enjoy living in those neighborhoods. Surely if no one actually liked living in those neighborhoods it wouldn’t still be the ideal people strive for.

Spivak 6y ago
Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of people in the burbs living an idilic life of winding roads and manicured lawns just the same as the people who enjoy rural, small town, or city life but there’s a huge group of people who are forced via their life circumstances to go to where there’s work and where they can afford.
imtringued 6y ago
This doesn't make any sense, if people like those neighborhoods, why would they pay for housing whose value is based around what its potential rent income would be if zoning was not restricted. The fact that you can (eventually) build a 2 story apartment building on that plot of land is already priced in. If you like it this way then enjoy the needless suffering and economic inefficiency, it can only get worse. Turning one city into an "ugly" 10 million metropolis could have spared a dozen other cities.
- vineyardmike 6y ago
  To quote what all of them are saying... >Turning one city into an "ugly" 10 million metropolis could have spared a dozen other cities. "Great, turn one city like that and spare the rest... just not in my city.
mastax 6y ago
That's fine, people can like what they like. One of the best parts of my life was living in a duplex built in the 1930s close to downtown. It's hard and increasingly expensive to live in those around here because they have been illegal to build in most of the city for almost a century. We do not have to ban single family homes. We do have to stop banning everything else.
- MomoXenosaga 6y ago
  Yeah this is a big problem. Demographics have changed. There are more old people who don't need 3 bedrooms and a big garden. Single person households have increased- in the 1960s everyone married and started a family in their twenties and divorce was pretty rare. We shouldn't build houses for a society that doesn't exist anymore.
- vineyardmike 6y ago
  Yes but people like living in certain neighborhoods not just certain homes.
TheCoelacanth 6y ago
I like a lot of things. Most of them don't need to be legally enforced by the government. I just freely choose the things I like and people who like differently choose differently. Why does one specific form of housing need to be legally required instead of just letting people build the type of housing that they want?
- vineyardmike 6y ago
  The difference is that people don't care about one form of housing... they care about one form of neighborhood which necessarily includes many houses.
  - mikem170 6y ago
    It still seems like you are forcing your preference on others.
havernator 6y ago
Maybe, but some don't and are only there because 99% of the school-quality/house-price/distance-to-work sweet spot is in winding-road McMansion neighborhoods, so that's basically the only option.
asveikau 6y ago
I feel like you could justify all sorts of weird stuff this way. Smoking was popular. Obesity is popular and its popularity is increasing over time. Destroying the planet with fossil fuels is something everybody wants to do. These are ideals everybody is striving for.
- vineyardmike 6y ago
  Playing with puppies is popular, getting an A in class is popular. These are all ideals everybody is striving for. I don't think that this argument really addresses the point that vilifying something might be hurting the problem more.

I’m pretty sure a lot of people enjoy living in those neighborhoods. Surely if no one actually liked living in those neighborhoods it wouldn’t still be the ideal people strive for.

Spivak 6y ago

Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of people in the burbs living an idilic life of winding roads and manicured lawns just the same as the people who enjoy rural, small town, or city life but there’s a huge group of people who are forced via their life circumstances to go to where there’s work and where they can afford.

imtringued 6y ago

This doesn't make any sense, if people like those neighborhoods, why would they pay for housing whose value is based around what its potential rent income would be if zoning was not restricted. The fact that you can (eventually) build a 2 story apartment building on that plot of land is already priced in. If you like it this way then enjoy the needless suffering and economic inefficiency, it can only get worse. Turning one city into an "ugly" 10 million metropolis could have spared a dozen other cities.

vineyardmike 6y ago
To quote what all of them are saying... >Turning one city into an "ugly" 10 million metropolis could have spared a dozen other cities. "Great, turn one city like that and spare the rest... just not in my city.

mastax 6y ago

That's fine, people can like what they like. One of the best parts of my life was living in a duplex built in the 1930s close to downtown. It's hard and increasingly expensive to live in those around here because they have been illegal to build in most of the city for almost a century. We do not have to ban single family homes. We do have to stop banning everything else.

MomoXenosaga 6y ago
Yeah this is a big problem. Demographics have changed. There are more old people who don't need 3 bedrooms and a big garden. Single person households have increased- in the 1960s everyone married and started a family in their twenties and divorce was pretty rare. We shouldn't build houses for a society that doesn't exist anymore.
vineyardmike 6y ago
Yes but people like living in certain neighborhoods not just certain homes.

TheCoelacanth 6y ago

I like a lot of things. Most of them don't need to be legally enforced by the government. I just freely choose the things I like and people who like differently choose differently. Why does one specific form of housing need to be legally required instead of just letting people build the type of housing that they want?

vineyardmike 6y ago
The difference is that people don't care about one form of housing... they care about one form of neighborhood which necessarily includes many houses.
- mikem170 6y ago
  It still seems like you are forcing your preference on others.

havernator 6y ago

Maybe, but some don't and are only there because 99% of the school-quality/house-price/distance-to-work sweet spot is in winding-road McMansion neighborhoods, so that's basically the only option.

asveikau 6y ago

I feel like you could justify all sorts of weird stuff this way. Smoking was popular. Obesity is popular and its popularity is increasing over time. Destroying the planet with fossil fuels is something everybody wants to do. These are ideals everybody is striving for.

vineyardmike 6y ago
Playing with puppies is popular, getting an A in class is popular. These are all ideals everybody is striving for. I don't think that this argument really addresses the point that vilifying something might be hurting the problem more.