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> for hiring an untrusted contractor So you agree Huawei cannot be trusted. I think that is the whole point of the discussion.

by Gys 6y ago

simion314 6y ago
Not OP, but must probably this is just part of the anti-China propaganda , I think it started with the false accusations from Bloomberg... so I expect that any Huawei related news is false until some actual evidence is presented to the police or something.
- hn8788 6y ago
  Huawei doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt, a lot of their early success was due to hacking Cisco and Nortel then building competing products based on stolen information, all while the Chinese government was restricting non-Chinese telecom vendors from operating in the country.
  - simion314 6y ago
    I personally don't like to be manipulated by media. So for this case I am just saying be aware not to be a tool/pawn is some big player's game, I suggest you either do more digging , wait for some real evidence - but downvote if the mention of the Bloomberg fake article or innocent until proven guilty is a something wrong that needs to be hidden.
    - jryle70 6y ago
      You're contradicting yourself here, as you don't want to be manipulated but are already convinced that this is part of anti-China propaganda. Also, innocent until proven guilty should only apply to regular people, not state actors. Many historical events are only declassified after 50, 60 years, or never at all. Believe a story or not is your judgement, but asking for proofs are either naive, or just looking for excuses.
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      - simion314 6y ago
        I mean the title and the content do not match . So the title was created to push a certain agenda , so what? is it propaganda or just the old pure evil capitalism that pushed the editor to change the title into some false accusations? I did not said that Huawei is not spying, mayb ethey do but I am still waiting for the evidence. Similar on how I wait for evidence that Google is reading our politicians emails and blackmailing them - is not enough to hear some conspiracy and then upvote it like a tool because I hate Huawei or Google.
geofft 6y ago
You shouldn't trust any provider under the jurisdiction of an anti-liberty nation-state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Not sure why Huawei is unique here.
- kube-system 6y ago
  The US and the Netherlands are both allied members of NATO. That's why Huawei is a different story.
  - geofft 6y ago
    Are you saying it's worse for China to (be granted sufficient access by the Netherlands that, in theory, if they wished to abuse that access, they could) spy on communications in the Netherlands than for the US to spy on communications in the US?
    - ipaddr 6y ago
      From a NATO point of view yes. China spying on the Netherlands would be worse than the US spying on itself.
    - kube-system 6y ago
      I'm saying that the it's a reductionist oversimplification to say that it doesn't matter who the Netherlands picks for their telecom infrastructure because "everyone spies". Different countries have different relationships with each other, and the entire point of an alliance is to cooperate and establish trust.
    - sidlls 6y ago
      I can't speak for the OP, but I'd say that, yes. The US's spying activity is an overreach (to put it mildly) and I don't agree with the extent or purpose in many cases. We also don't really have a well functioning democracy, in my opinion, due to the capture of the government by private corporations. But what we do have is still a democracy, and it is absolutely lightyears above and beyond the genocidal, anti-liberty government of China.

> for hiring an untrusted contractor So you agree Huawei cannot be trusted. I think that is the whole point of the discussion.

by Gys 6y ago

> for hiring an untrusted contractor So you agree Huawei cannot be trusted. I think that is the whole point of the discussion.

simion314 6y ago

Not OP, but must probably this is just part of the anti-China propaganda , I think it started with the false accusations from Bloomberg... so I expect that any Huawei related news is false until some actual evidence is presented to the police or something.

hn8788 6y ago
Huawei doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt, a lot of their early success was due to hacking Cisco and Nortel then building competing products based on stolen information, all while the Chinese government was restricting non-Chinese telecom vendors from operating in the country.
- simion314 6y ago
  I personally don't like to be manipulated by media. So for this case I am just saying be aware not to be a tool/pawn is some big player's game, I suggest you either do more digging , wait for some real evidence - but downvote if the mention of the Bloomberg fake article or innocent until proven guilty is a something wrong that needs to be hidden.
  - jryle70 6y ago
    You're contradicting yourself here, as you don't want to be manipulated but are already convinced that this is part of anti-China propaganda. Also, innocent until proven guilty should only apply to regular people, not state actors. Many historical events are only declassified after 50, 60 years, or never at all. Believe a story or not is your judgement, but asking for proofs are either naive, or just looking for excuses.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - simion314 6y ago
      I mean the title and the content do not match . So the title was created to push a certain agenda , so what? is it propaganda or just the old pure evil capitalism that pushed the editor to change the title into some false accusations? I did not said that Huawei is not spying, mayb ethey do but I am still waiting for the evidence. Similar on how I wait for evidence that Google is reading our politicians emails and blackmailing them - is not enough to hear some conspiracy and then upvote it like a tool because I hate Huawei or Google.

geofft 6y ago

You shouldn't trust any provider under the jurisdiction of an anti-liberty nation-state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Not sure why Huawei is unique here.

kube-system 6y ago
The US and the Netherlands are both allied members of NATO. That's why Huawei is a different story.
- geofft 6y ago
  Are you saying it's worse for China to (be granted sufficient access by the Netherlands that, in theory, if they wished to abuse that access, they could) spy on communications in the Netherlands than for the US to spy on communications in the US?
  - ipaddr 6y ago
    From a NATO point of view yes. China spying on the Netherlands would be worse than the US spying on itself.
  - kube-system 6y ago
    I'm saying that the it's a reductionist oversimplification to say that it doesn't matter who the Netherlands picks for their telecom infrastructure because "everyone spies". Different countries have different relationships with each other, and the entire point of an alliance is to cooperate and establish trust.
  - sidlls 6y ago
    I can't speak for the OP, but I'd say that, yes. The US's spying activity is an overreach (to put it mildly) and I don't agree with the extent or purpose in many cases. We also don't really have a well functioning democracy, in my opinion, due to the capture of the government by private corporations. But what we do have is still a democracy, and it is absolutely lightyears above and beyond the genocidal, anti-liberty government of China.