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OK, fine, I'll bite: what specifically are those things it tells you that you can verifiably claim are true about Epic Games, again, specifically?

Groxx 6y ago
That they apparently sometimes fail to do these things. You can't verify anything internal unless you're internal or it has already failed publicly, so you of course have to draw on patterns seen elsewhere. Critical-process failures in one area correlate heavily with failures in others. Plus, Epic has not exactly shown themselves to be producing consistent quality in anything related to their store, or many internet-connected properties. If they were, this might be more attributable to "accidents happen, it's impossible to prevent them all". It could still be an abnormality, but they're edging further towards "... maybe not though" territory. --- Edit: lets add a concrete "kinda example, kinda counter-example". Google is a tech company that is pretty good at consistently renewing its many certificates. They recently failed to do so for Google Voice: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/recent-google-voice-outage-caused-by-expired-certificates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/recent-google-v... I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that this reinforces claims that Google Voice is low priority / at higher risk of future issues due to lack of care, i.e. systemic issues, compared to other Google properties. I have no proof, but that doesn't mean it's automatically unreasonable.
- bartread 6y ago
  Sure, but you can't actually use an example from Google to deduce what's going on at Epic Games. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying there aren't problems at Epic Games (most companies have them). What I'm saying is, we're just speculating: how is that helpful? Either to them or to this discussion? We're either casting vague and hand-wavy aspersions or citing more specific examples where we actually have no idea whether they have any relevance to Epic Games. It's just noise because, as you've pointed out, we're not internal.
  - matkoniecz 6y ago
    > Sure, but you can't actually use an example from Google to deduce what's going on at Epic Games. It was illustration of though process - that seems to make sense to me. > It's just noise because, as you've pointed out, we're not internal. Yes, it is noisier than direct info from inside but you may learn something.
  - machello13 6y ago
    Are you arguing that the internal workings of a company can't be visible at all to outsiders? Or that there's no correlation between the rate of public, easily preventable failures and technical incompetence? Or just that it's not "helpful" somehow to point these things out?

Groxx 6y ago

That they apparently sometimes fail to do these things. You can't verify anything internal unless you're internal or it has already failed publicly, so you of course have to draw on patterns seen elsewhere. Critical-process failures in one area correlate heavily with failures in others. Plus, Epic has not exactly shown themselves to be producing consistent quality in anything related to their store, or many internet-connected properties. If they were, this might be more attributable to "accidents happen, it's impossible to prevent them all". It could still be an abnormality, but they're edging further towards "... maybe not though" territory. --- Edit: lets add a concrete "kinda example, kinda counter-example". Google is a tech company that is pretty good at consistently renewing its many certificates. They recently failed to do so for Google Voice: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/recent-google-voice-outage-caused-by-expired-certificates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/recent-google-v... I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that this reinforces claims that Google Voice is low priority / at higher risk of future issues due to lack of care, i.e. systemic issues, compared to other Google properties. I have no proof, but that doesn't mean it's automatically unreasonable.

bartread 6y ago
Sure, but you can't actually use an example from Google to deduce what's going on at Epic Games. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying there aren't problems at Epic Games (most companies have them). What I'm saying is, we're just speculating: how is that helpful? Either to them or to this discussion? We're either casting vague and hand-wavy aspersions or citing more specific examples where we actually have no idea whether they have any relevance to Epic Games. It's just noise because, as you've pointed out, we're not internal.
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  > Sure, but you can't actually use an example from Google to deduce what's going on at Epic Games. It was illustration of though process - that seems to make sense to me. > It's just noise because, as you've pointed out, we're not internal. Yes, it is noisier than direct info from inside but you may learn something.
- machello13 6y ago
  Are you arguing that the internal workings of a company can't be visible at all to outsiders? Or that there's no correlation between the rate of public, easily preventable failures and technical incompetence? Or just that it's not "helpful" somehow to point these things out?