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IntelliJ is nice, don't get me wrong. You can't really get a nice (for 2020) experience out of Java without it, because it's an absolute slog of a language. Jus

IntelliJ is nice, don't get me wrong. You can't really get a nice (for 2020) experience out of Java without it, because it's an absolute slog of a language. Just... so... much... ... ... ... everything. IntelliJ cuts through all that. You can get a nice for 2005 experience with Eclipse. Without an IDE, Java really falls down. Java is a phenomenal piece of kit, the amount of engineering that went into the JVM is insane. But people took the lessons from Java and put them into newer languages, that don't have the problems Java does that require an IDE. My love is in the language that IDEs don't and can't really add much to, Ruby. Emacs give me all I need.

cle 6y ago
Even Emacs handles Java pretty well these days, with lsp-mode and jdt.ls (powered by...Eclipse). I've been using it for the past year and it works great.
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lenkite 6y ago
> Without an IDE, Java really falls down. VSC has a pretty good Java experience.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  But doesn't it use the eclipse compiler? Certainly the emacs mode does: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.jdt.ls https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.jdt.ls
- w4rh4wk5 6y ago
  Yeah right; after almost 2 years the standard formatter still occasionally deletes code. [1] [1]: https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/issues/1132 https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/issues/1132