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Ah another new dev enamored with IntelliJ. You'd think one day they'd realize that it's the IDE they love, not the language. But in my observation, they never d

Ah another new dev enamored with IntelliJ. You'd think one day they'd realize that it's the IDE they love, not the language. But in my observation, they never do. Reminds me of a rationalization I heard once about how people pick their brand of cigarettes. They all taste like crap until you're finally addicted, then the one you happen to smoke at the time is now your brand. Every new language / stack now gets compared to Java with IntelliJ because that's what they learned. Can't tell 'em any different.

Jaxkr 6y ago
A fair point, haha! I tried PyCharm recently (normally use VS Code) and I was really impressed. I think my emotions are misplaced: I might just like IntelliJ.
- vinceguidry 6y ago
  IntelliJ is nice, don't get me wrong. You can't really get a nice (for 2020) experience out of Java without it, because it's an absolute slog of a language. Just... so... much... ... ... ... everything. IntelliJ cuts through all that. You can get a nice for 2005 experience with Eclipse. Without an IDE, Java really falls down. Java is a phenomenal piece of kit, the amount of engineering that went into the JVM is insane. But people took the lessons from Java and put them into newer languages, that don't have the problems Java does that require an IDE. My love is in the language that IDEs don't and can't really add much to, Ruby. Emacs give me all I need.
  - cle 6y ago
    Even Emacs handles Java pretty well these days, with lsp-mode and jdt.ls (powered by...Eclipse). I've been using it for the past year and it works great.
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  - lenkite 6y ago
    > Without an IDE, Java really falls down. VSC has a pretty good Java experience.
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      But doesn't it use the eclipse compiler? Certainly the emacs mode does: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.jdt.ls https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.jdt.ls
    - w4rh4wk5 6y ago
      Yeah right; after almost 2 years the standard formatter still occasionally deletes code. [1] [1]: https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/issues/1132 https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/issues/1132
cosmotic 6y ago
The static types enable IDEA to do its magic. It's nowhere near as good for Python, JS, PHP, etc. C# support is great though.
a_imho 6y ago
Exactly, tooling is underhyped, programming languages do not exist in a vacuum. Intellij is at the top of the power continuum as far as I'm aware. It is a perfectly valid to pick Java just for this single reason imo.

Jaxkr 6y ago

A fair point, haha! I tried PyCharm recently (normally use VS Code) and I was really impressed. I think my emotions are misplaced: I might just like IntelliJ.

vinceguidry 6y ago
IntelliJ is nice, don't get me wrong. You can't really get a nice (for 2020) experience out of Java without it, because it's an absolute slog of a language. Just... so... much... ... ... ... everything. IntelliJ cuts through all that. You can get a nice for 2005 experience with Eclipse. Without an IDE, Java really falls down. Java is a phenomenal piece of kit, the amount of engineering that went into the JVM is insane. But people took the lessons from Java and put them into newer languages, that don't have the problems Java does that require an IDE. My love is in the language that IDEs don't and can't really add much to, Ruby. Emacs give me all I need.
- cle 6y ago
  Even Emacs handles Java pretty well these days, with lsp-mode and jdt.ls (powered by...Eclipse). I've been using it for the past year and it works great.
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- lenkite 6y ago
  > Without an IDE, Java really falls down. VSC has a pretty good Java experience.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    But doesn't it use the eclipse compiler? Certainly the emacs mode does: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.jdt.ls https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.jdt.ls
  - w4rh4wk5 6y ago
    Yeah right; after almost 2 years the standard formatter still occasionally deletes code. [1] [1]: https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/issues/1132 https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/issues/1132

cosmotic 6y ago

The static types enable IDEA to do its magic. It's nowhere near as good for Python, JS, PHP, etc. C# support is great though.

a_imho 6y ago

Exactly, tooling is underhyped, programming languages do not exist in a vacuum. Intellij is at the top of the power continuum as far as I'm aware. It is a perfectly valid to pick Java just for this single reason imo.