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I am very hopeful for Peertube and their project, since I'm currently partaking in hosting a large video website for otherwise content too controversial for mai

I am very hopeful for Peertube and their project, since I'm currently partaking in hosting a large video website for otherwise content too controversial for mainstream platforms like Youtube. (Political content if you were wondering, but I won't indulge what kind) This takes back control to creators in such a way that essentially only domain registrars will be able to dictate what content may stay alive on the internet. (And naturally that each to their own get to federate to their own liking) At the moment domain registrars have been staying on what is IMO the correct stance of content allowance, requiring more or less police warrants to take down content. In fact I'm hopeful enough for this project that I've considered spending some time to get stuck in the development enough that I could even contribute pull requests or helpful issues to the tracker. I would like to see a world instead where all channels on Youtube were their own "Peertubes" instead. Youtube/Google have really let consumers and creators down as it is right now, which in a way is natural, since they only really have allegiance to their sponsors and advertisers.

ralusek 6y ago
> I won't indulge what kind There's only one kind considered too controversial for mainstream.
- JeremyBanks 6y ago
  Coordination of armed insurrection against the United States? Accusations of Democratic pedophile rings to distract from the known Republican pedophiles in Congress? Lies about the election rigging to justify overtly racist voter suppression?
  - ralusek 6y ago
    Depends on who's doing it. > Coordination of armed insurrection against the United States? Coordinating burning down Minneapolis police station is okay. Bombing Portland Federal Courthouse is okay. I'm afraid you haven't quite captured it yet, but close. > Lies about the election rigging to justify overtly racist voter suppression? No, speaking for 4 years about Russian collusion rigging the election was allowed on mainstream platforms. I'm afraid you'll still need to be more specific.
- marricks 6y ago
  I mean, this comment could give you some clues [to what their leanings are and what content could be hosted*]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610522 *Added context since parent was flagged
  - stirfish 6y ago
    >For all I've seen "non-white non-male" is generally given priority in all kinds of areas, certainly in start-up interest. It's considered "hip" to associate with these "non-white non-male" groups, irregardless of their actual performance in whatever area they were prioritized. (To a certain extent at least, they can't be completely nonperforming) Being able to show that you have included these groups in whatever way your organization works, gives you advantages in press situations foremost, but also in other ways such as meeting arbitrary quotas set by higher-ups and HR dept.s in your organization. I'm guessing...videos leaked from inside factory farms.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - goodpoint 6y ago
      Guess again: > 1) Non-white non-males are given less ability to grow in the "STEM/Entrepreneurship" fields as students and/or children by society. > 2) White men are able to outperform those other groups by some inherent quality. > Nevertheless, 1) seems to be partially disproved Unless I misread, the claim that is being made here is "white males are inherently superior"
      - marricks 6y ago
        That was my take! I think stirfish was being sarcastic about factory farms and probably reached the same (scary) conclusion.
      - raarts 6y ago
        To me it's more likely due to not being able to see reality is more nuanced than 2 options.
- anoncake 6y ago
  Conservative-Libertarian Anarcho-Marxist Fascism?
  - marricks 6y ago
    The only true popular front! /s
    - extradesgo 6y ago
      If you’re intending to be sarcastic, you probably mean united front.
      - marricks 6y ago
        Looking at the definition I see united front actually fits the idea better! I did mean to be sarcastic and wrong though.
        extradesgo 6y ago
        Ha! Blending of conflicting ideologies implies compromise or trade-off, which would be a popular front. In a united front, the groups do not merge or compromise. Ideologies and ultimate intentions remain pure, and the groups only collaborate in the name of overlapping interests.
  - varispeed 6y ago
    These days as long as you promise financial benefits for about 10-30% of population, anything goes. That's why you've got so many populist parties around Europe winning elections. People don't care much as long as they get paid, can buy food, pay rent, and spend rest of the day browsing internet or getting drunk in front of Netflix.
- raarts 6y ago
  Which one are you referring to? Because I can think of a few.
- zaptidizap 6y ago
  You would be surpriced
- keithnz 6y ago
  if you look through his twitter, you can see the kinds of things he promotes....
deleted 6y ago
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colordrops 6y ago
And if they start taking down domains without due process, parallel DNS systems will arise.
- hossbeast 6y ago
  Handshake, for example.
vangelis 6y ago
One of the first instances I stumbled upon was this guy. Your mileage may vary. https://videos.martinezperspective.org/videos/trending?a-state=42 https://videos.martinezperspective.org/videos/trending?a-sta...
- lupire 6y ago
  If good-content people don't use peertube, then only bad-content people will use peertube. You don't need to browse all the instances, you can stick to ones recommended by curators you trust. Joinpeertube should do better about how it promotes instances for newbies.
camjohnson26 6y ago
I got to see this first hand recently. Tesla has a rabid fan base that try to take down any negative information. Somebody posted a video on YouTube criticizing Tesla’s full self driving system and using short clips from other channels that are clearly fair use. Users spammed DMCA takedown requests and YouTube removed the video. Other users published it to Vimeo, Veoh, and a few other sites but those all got taken down as well, basically killing the video’s spread. The only ones still up are PeerTube and a split version, although I’m not sure if it would disappear if that host chooses to remove it. It just surprised me how effective this method of censorship was and I wonder how often it happens with more important topics. Context: https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1321535914036748288?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1321535914036748288?s... https://twitter.com/icapulet/status/1375232839415906304?s=20 https://twitter.com/icapulet/status/1375232839415906304?s=20 https://twitter.com/FinanceLancelot/status/1375289872756273152?s=20 https://twitter.com/FinanceLancelot/status/13752898727562731...
- sschueller 6y ago
  Well, I posted a copy on my PeerTube instance and without a court order it ain't getting deleted.
  - ruph123 6y ago
    Do you care to share a link then?
    - sschueller 6y ago
      https://troll.tv/videos/watch/54bc7bd0-8691-4359-aa7d-dc5148350ff3 https://troll.tv/videos/watch/54bc7bd0-8691-4359-aa7d-dc5148...
      - gabythenerd 6y ago
        Thanks for hosting it. The video is very well done and rises valid points, but it's going to be difficult for it to gain traction fighting against the rabid fanbase. Wonder what could be a solution for this type of censorship.
neverminder 6y ago
2010-2015 was the golden age of YouTube. Adpocalypse effectively killed it as a neutral platform and now even mildly controversial videos get demonetized and/or removed. I therefore consider Peertube as essiantial as Wikipedia and Openstreetmap. I hope it becomes mainstream alternative to YouTube.
- lupire 6y ago
  Does Wikipedia allow controversial content? It is fiercely editorially controlled, and proudly so.
  - busymom0 6y ago
    Wikipedia often lets smears stay on their site - even if false and then locks down the page so the person isn't allowed to present their own side of story to defend themselves. As for YouTube, similar example - There's a current trending HN thread on: > YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977
amelius 6y ago
> only domain registrars will be able to dictate what content may stay alive on the internet Can't/doesn't PeerTube work with IP-addresses directly?
- errhead 5y ago
  The standard install requires a domain to get a certificate for https.

ralusek 6y ago

> I won't indulge what kind There's only one kind considered too controversial for mainstream.

JeremyBanks 6y ago
Coordination of armed insurrection against the United States? Accusations of Democratic pedophile rings to distract from the known Republican pedophiles in Congress? Lies about the election rigging to justify overtly racist voter suppression?
- ralusek 6y ago
  Depends on who's doing it. > Coordination of armed insurrection against the United States? Coordinating burning down Minneapolis police station is okay. Bombing Portland Federal Courthouse is okay. I'm afraid you haven't quite captured it yet, but close. > Lies about the election rigging to justify overtly racist voter suppression? No, speaking for 4 years about Russian collusion rigging the election was allowed on mainstream platforms. I'm afraid you'll still need to be more specific.
marricks 6y ago
I mean, this comment could give you some clues [to what their leanings are and what content could be hosted*]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610522 *Added context since parent was flagged
- stirfish 6y ago
  >For all I've seen "non-white non-male" is generally given priority in all kinds of areas, certainly in start-up interest. It's considered "hip" to associate with these "non-white non-male" groups, irregardless of their actual performance in whatever area they were prioritized. (To a certain extent at least, they can't be completely nonperforming) Being able to show that you have included these groups in whatever way your organization works, gives you advantages in press situations foremost, but also in other ways such as meeting arbitrary quotas set by higher-ups and HR dept.s in your organization. I'm guessing...videos leaked from inside factory farms.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - goodpoint 6y ago
    Guess again: > 1) Non-white non-males are given less ability to grow in the "STEM/Entrepreneurship" fields as students and/or children by society. > 2) White men are able to outperform those other groups by some inherent quality. > Nevertheless, 1) seems to be partially disproved Unless I misread, the claim that is being made here is "white males are inherently superior"
    - marricks 6y ago
      That was my take! I think stirfish was being sarcastic about factory farms and probably reached the same (scary) conclusion.
    - raarts 6y ago
      To me it's more likely due to not being able to see reality is more nuanced than 2 options.
anoncake 6y ago
Conservative-Libertarian Anarcho-Marxist Fascism?
- marricks 6y ago
  The only true popular front! /s
  - extradesgo 6y ago
    If you’re intending to be sarcastic, you probably mean united front.
    - marricks 6y ago
      Looking at the definition I see united front actually fits the idea better! I did mean to be sarcastic and wrong though.
      - extradesgo 6y ago
        Ha! Blending of conflicting ideologies implies compromise or trade-off, which would be a popular front. In a united front, the groups do not merge or compromise. Ideologies and ultimate intentions remain pure, and the groups only collaborate in the name of overlapping interests.
- varispeed 6y ago
  These days as long as you promise financial benefits for about 10-30% of population, anything goes. That's why you've got so many populist parties around Europe winning elections. People don't care much as long as they get paid, can buy food, pay rent, and spend rest of the day browsing internet or getting drunk in front of Netflix.
raarts 6y ago
Which one are you referring to? Because I can think of a few.
zaptidizap 6y ago
You would be surpriced
keithnz 6y ago
if you look through his twitter, you can see the kinds of things he promotes....

deleted 6y ago

[deleted]

colordrops 6y ago

And if they start taking down domains without due process, parallel DNS systems will arise.

hossbeast 6y ago
Handshake, for example.

vangelis 6y ago

One of the first instances I stumbled upon was this guy. Your mileage may vary. https://videos.martinezperspective.org/videos/trending?a-state=42 https://videos.martinezperspective.org/videos/trending?a-sta...

lupire 6y ago
If good-content people don't use peertube, then only bad-content people will use peertube. You don't need to browse all the instances, you can stick to ones recommended by curators you trust. Joinpeertube should do better about how it promotes instances for newbies.

camjohnson26 6y ago

I got to see this first hand recently. Tesla has a rabid fan base that try to take down any negative information. Somebody posted a video on YouTube criticizing Tesla’s full self driving system and using short clips from other channels that are clearly fair use. Users spammed DMCA takedown requests and YouTube removed the video. Other users published it to Vimeo, Veoh, and a few other sites but those all got taken down as well, basically killing the video’s spread. The only ones still up are PeerTube and a split version, although I’m not sure if it would disappear if that host chooses to remove it. It just surprised me how effective this method of censorship was and I wonder how often it happens with more important topics. Context: https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1321535914036748288?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1321535914036748288?s... https://twitter.com/icapulet/status/1375232839415906304?s=20 https://twitter.com/icapulet/status/1375232839415906304?s=20 https://twitter.com/FinanceLancelot/status/1375289872756273152?s=20 https://twitter.com/FinanceLancelot/status/13752898727562731...

sschueller 6y ago
Well, I posted a copy on my PeerTube instance and without a court order it ain't getting deleted.
- ruph123 6y ago
  Do you care to share a link then?
  - sschueller 6y ago
    https://troll.tv/videos/watch/54bc7bd0-8691-4359-aa7d-dc5148350ff3 https://troll.tv/videos/watch/54bc7bd0-8691-4359-aa7d-dc5148...
    - gabythenerd 6y ago
      Thanks for hosting it. The video is very well done and rises valid points, but it's going to be difficult for it to gain traction fighting against the rabid fanbase. Wonder what could be a solution for this type of censorship.

neverminder 6y ago

2010-2015 was the golden age of YouTube. Adpocalypse effectively killed it as a neutral platform and now even mildly controversial videos get demonetized and/or removed. I therefore consider Peertube as essiantial as Wikipedia and Openstreetmap. I hope it becomes mainstream alternative to YouTube.

lupire 6y ago
Does Wikipedia allow controversial content? It is fiercely editorially controlled, and proudly so.
- busymom0 6y ago
  Wikipedia often lets smears stay on their site - even if false and then locks down the page so the person isn't allowed to present their own side of story to defend themselves. As for YouTube, similar example - There's a current trending HN thread on: > YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977

amelius 6y ago

> only domain registrars will be able to dictate what content may stay alive on the internet Can't/doesn't PeerTube work with IP-addresses directly?

errhead 5y ago
The standard install requires a domain to get a certificate for https.