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> BIPOC people _are_ different. They have different experiences in America. It's not racist to acknowledge and respect this. Yes, it is. Treat people based on

> BIPOC people _are_ different. They have different experiences in America. It's not racist to acknowledge and respect this. Yes, it is. Treat people based on their experiences, not on what you expect people with their skin colour to have experienced. > If you look at asthma rates in the Black community vs. the average, it's not guilt that motivates people to address it, it's rationality and decency. If high asthma rates motivate you to do something, it should be to help asthmatics. Not to treat people differently based on their skin colour, which is racist. > ...in the same way I don't forget my sex, gender, name, nationality, etc. These are core parts of one's identity. There is no reason why people's skin colour needs to be part of their identity any more than their eye colour. > Insofar as race exists, it's absolutely an individual trait? Not a relevant one, unless you are a dermatologist or a sun cream salesperson.

camgunz 6y ago
There's nothing racist about acknowledging and respecting the fact that BIPOC people have different experiences and are marginalized. You seem to be making an argument that that's prejudiced, but in America it's inescapable. If you're born Black in the US, you had a way higher chance of dying and your mother had a way higher chance of dying than if you were born white. And besides, race is more than skin/eye color. It's culture and experience. For example, there are higher rates of asthma in Black Americans because we tend to put polluting things by their neighborhoods and schools. But, broadly I think you're just being disingenuous. You can't seriously think this stuff is just about the color of someone's skin.
- anoncake 6y ago
  It is just the colour of someone's skin. Or aren't dark-skinned people who grew up outside the USA black? > If you're born Black in the US, you had a way higher chance of dying and your mother had a way higher chance of dying than if you were born white. Poor people have a higher chance of being criminal. Black people have a higher chance of being poor. Therefore (I assume) black people have a higher chance of being criminal. Treating black people like criminals because crime is correlated with being black is textbook racism. Treating them differently because of any correlated trait is also racism. > For example, there are higher rates of asthma in Black Americans because we tend to put polluting things by their neighborhoods and schools. Why? - If it's because they're poor, the root cause is not racism but poverty (or how the poor are treated). - If it's because of their skin colour, the root cause is that treating people differently based on their skin colour is considered acceptable. Treating people differently based on their skin colour will not exactly help.
  - camgunz 6y ago
    Someone I'm very close to is white. They're legitimately pale. They have blue eyes. But their father was Black, and where they grew up, that made them Black too. As a result, much of their experience was the Black experience, they married a Black partner, had Black kids, have Black grandkids, etc. But they have to tell people they're Black, because their skin and eye color pass them. This isn't anecdata. This is using one case to show you that race isn't (ahem) black and white, or solely about skin color. It's about culture and experience.

camgunz 6y ago

There's nothing racist about acknowledging and respecting the fact that BIPOC people have different experiences and are marginalized. You seem to be making an argument that that's prejudiced, but in America it's inescapable. If you're born Black in the US, you had a way higher chance of dying and your mother had a way higher chance of dying than if you were born white. And besides, race is more than skin/eye color. It's culture and experience. For example, there are higher rates of asthma in Black Americans because we tend to put polluting things by their neighborhoods and schools. But, broadly I think you're just being disingenuous. You can't seriously think this stuff is just about the color of someone's skin.

anoncake 6y ago
It is just the colour of someone's skin. Or aren't dark-skinned people who grew up outside the USA black? > If you're born Black in the US, you had a way higher chance of dying and your mother had a way higher chance of dying than if you were born white. Poor people have a higher chance of being criminal. Black people have a higher chance of being poor. Therefore (I assume) black people have a higher chance of being criminal. Treating black people like criminals because crime is correlated with being black is textbook racism. Treating them differently because of any correlated trait is also racism. > For example, there are higher rates of asthma in Black Americans because we tend to put polluting things by their neighborhoods and schools. Why? - If it's because they're poor, the root cause is not racism but poverty (or how the poor are treated). - If it's because of their skin colour, the root cause is that treating people differently based on their skin colour is considered acceptable. Treating people differently based on their skin colour will not exactly help.
- camgunz 6y ago
  Someone I'm very close to is white. They're legitimately pale. They have blue eyes. But their father was Black, and where they grew up, that made them Black too. As a result, much of their experience was the Black experience, they married a Black partner, had Black kids, have Black grandkids, etc. But they have to tell people they're Black, because their skin and eye color pass them. This isn't anecdata. This is using one case to show you that race isn't (ahem) black and white, or solely about skin color. It's about culture and experience.