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Using a depiction of Cali wildfires which are mostly caused by the state's own forest management policies puts your quote into perspective: Framing.

Daishiman 5y ago
The catastrophe would be dramatically different if it weren't because of that. Climate change makes things more catastrophic. It's not dishonest.
cma 5y ago
> state's own forest management policies Weren't most burned acres on federal land (managed by executive branch under Trump)?
- carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
  Yes and no. I wouldn't blame just Trump per se, because forest management policy implementation across jurisdictions moves glacially-slow. There is likely enough blame to go around, such as not clearing fuel around the electrical grid and not setting intentional, controlled clearance fires. https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-state-fires-but-many-worst-federal-land/1971196002/ https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-s... The most economically-destructive fires are at the Wildland-urban interface (WUI), especially new residential developments that build right up to and in large, dense forested areas. Without proper fire mitigation for houses, infrastructure, and communities, devastating Camp Fire scenarios are entirely possible again.
carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
Uh no, not backdoor climate emergency denial. I survived in the 2018 Paradise fire. The main problem there was no rain for 200+ days, coupled with strong, dry winds in a particular direction, and PG&E's 100+-year-old under-maintained, bare powerlines that broke off their ancient fasteners. The reason for the 200+ days of no rain is likely related to both rising average temperatures, breaking record-after-record each year, and the lack of enough Arctic sea ice pack to stabilize the Arctic's jet-stream. Without a stable jet-stream, it breaks off into disjointed loops and also dips down into lower latitudes. This causes havoc and seemingly more random/variable/intense weather in N America. Blizzard in Austin, for example, which never anticipated such an occurrence that far south.
- listenallyall 5y ago
  > The main problem there No, the main problem there was a neighborhood situated in a highly flammable area in the middle of a forest.
  - carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
    It wasn't a "forest." I lived there for five years. It was islands of tall trees. Nearly all of them were maintained by arborists because of the liability of widowmakers. Our 1/2 acre yard had 7 tall trees and two giant lawns, nothing close to a "forest." The trees were only "highly-flammable" because of the extreme lack of rain drying out the brush acting as kindling and the trees acting as fuel.
    - listenallyall 5y ago
      > It wasn't a "forest" Says you. “People were living in the forest,” he said. https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article249017825.html https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article24901782... “Anybody in their right mind would know that the whole town was a large oak forest, and everybody was at risk,” Scherer said. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-deathtrap-20181230-story.html%3f_amp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/californi...
      - carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
        Don't insult or disrespect me because I lived there and escaped the fire. Did you live there? Were you there? I have eyes, noticed the many tree species everyday, and density that was there before the disaster capitalism resource exploiters came in and cut down every tree that homeowners didn't defend ($1000+ per log). We had mostly pines in our yard that were constantly attacked by borer beetles and helped by woodpeckers. There were some places with more trees than others, but it wasn't an "oak forest." There were a dozen different species of trees. Our house survived because there wasn't fuel right next to the building and building codes work. Many of the houses that burned were dilapidated/poorly maintained, had trees overhanging or too close to their homes, or had fuel like bushes, pine needles, or firewood next to them. Do you know how many trash cans-full of pine needles I cleaned out of the gutters before putting gutter-guards in? Gimme a break with your know-nothing reporter regurgitated soundbite quips.

Daishiman 5y ago

The catastrophe would be dramatically different if it weren't because of that. Climate change makes things more catastrophic. It's not dishonest.

cma 5y ago

> state's own forest management policies Weren't most burned acres on federal land (managed by executive branch under Trump)?

carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
Yes and no. I wouldn't blame just Trump per se, because forest management policy implementation across jurisdictions moves glacially-slow. There is likely enough blame to go around, such as not clearing fuel around the electrical grid and not setting intentional, controlled clearance fires. https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-state-fires-but-many-worst-federal-land/1971196002/ https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-s... The most economically-destructive fires are at the Wildland-urban interface (WUI), especially new residential developments that build right up to and in large, dense forested areas. Without proper fire mitigation for houses, infrastructure, and communities, devastating Camp Fire scenarios are entirely possible again.

carpedimebagjoe 5y ago

Uh no, not backdoor climate emergency denial. I survived in the 2018 Paradise fire. The main problem there was no rain for 200+ days, coupled with strong, dry winds in a particular direction, and PG&E's 100+-year-old under-maintained, bare powerlines that broke off their ancient fasteners. The reason for the 200+ days of no rain is likely related to both rising average temperatures, breaking record-after-record each year, and the lack of enough Arctic sea ice pack to stabilize the Arctic's jet-stream. Without a stable jet-stream, it breaks off into disjointed loops and also dips down into lower latitudes. This causes havoc and seemingly more random/variable/intense weather in N America. Blizzard in Austin, for example, which never anticipated such an occurrence that far south.

listenallyall 5y ago
> The main problem there No, the main problem there was a neighborhood situated in a highly flammable area in the middle of a forest.
- carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
  It wasn't a "forest." I lived there for five years. It was islands of tall trees. Nearly all of them were maintained by arborists because of the liability of widowmakers. Our 1/2 acre yard had 7 tall trees and two giant lawns, nothing close to a "forest." The trees were only "highly-flammable" because of the extreme lack of rain drying out the brush acting as kindling and the trees acting as fuel.
  - listenallyall 5y ago
    > It wasn't a "forest" Says you. “People were living in the forest,” he said. https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article249017825.html https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article24901782... “Anybody in their right mind would know that the whole town was a large oak forest, and everybody was at risk,” Scherer said. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-deathtrap-20181230-story.html%3f_amp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/californi...
    - carpedimebagjoe 5y ago
      Don't insult or disrespect me because I lived there and escaped the fire. Did you live there? Were you there? I have eyes, noticed the many tree species everyday, and density that was there before the disaster capitalism resource exploiters came in and cut down every tree that homeowners didn't defend ($1000+ per log). We had mostly pines in our yard that were constantly attacked by borer beetles and helped by woodpeckers. There were some places with more trees than others, but it wasn't an "oak forest." There were a dozen different species of trees. Our house survived because there wasn't fuel right next to the building and building codes work. Many of the houses that burned were dilapidated/poorly maintained, had trees overhanging or too close to their homes, or had fuel like bushes, pine needles, or firewood next to them. Do you know how many trash cans-full of pine needles I cleaned out of the gutters before putting gutter-guards in? Gimme a break with your know-nothing reporter regurgitated soundbite quips.