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Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is 40% faster [1] than the M1 for the same wattage! It really deserves more media exposure than the M1 which has the only merit o
by arnaudsm 6y ago
Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is 40% faster [1] than the M1 for the same wattage! It really deserves more media exposure than the M1 which has the only merit of beating Intel.
[1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+5850U&id=4198 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+PRO+585...
- pram 6y agoThe M1 is the entry level processor, and is still beating everything in single thread performance. What merits the media exposure?
- whycombagator 6y agoNon-Apple TSMC 7nm and 40% faster at the same wattage (assuming GP is correct) compared to M1 seem like valid reasons for media exposure to me
- xolve 6y agoM1 being called a new era of CPU architecture, AMD really deserves a great applause here for being there as well.
- pram 6y agoI’d assume that’s because of the novelty of it being a competitive desktop ARM processor. The processor listed isn’t much faster than the previous gen Ryzen, it’s unremarkable from an apple to apple comparison.
- KptMarchewa 6y agoM1 has little-big architecture with 4 fast and 4 slow cores, while Ryzen has 8 equivalent cores.
- arnaudsm 6y agoThe M1 and 5850U are in the same laptop price range. But I agree on the single-thread, it's indeed 12% faster.
- coldtea 6y agoHow come I see Geenbench 5 scopes pining the M1 as 20% faster?
- toolz 6y agoI recently bought a lenovo ideapad (ultrabook form factor) for under $900USD with a 5700u 16GB ram 512 nvme https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700U/4104vs4156 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MH... I'd say AMD is really blowing the M1 laptops out of the water at half the price and more performance.
- emilsedgh 6y agoWhat exact model did you get if you don't mind me asking?
- toolz 6y agohuh, apparently price went up $150 since I bought it https://www.newegg.com/lenovo-flex-5-15alc05-82hv0000us-graphite-grey/p/N82E16834645482 https://www.newegg.com/lenovo-flex-5-15alc05-82hv0000us-grap... edit: wow price went way up actually - I paid $790 https://i.imgur.com/aBamY5l.png https://i.imgur.com/aBamY5l.png
- Ayesh 6y agoI recently bought a Lenovo Legion 5 (4800H, 512GB, 16GB, 1660ti) for around $1200 after checking the 4700u ideapad. This was before the Ryzen 5000 series launch, so I suppose the Legion 5 is around $900 mark these days. Many OEMs don't really give a good thermal headroom for the AMD processors, and only Lenovo seems to have done it right. Lenovo's stock management sucks though. There were no stock for many days, and had to go unorthodox methods to get my hands on a unit.
- zakki 6y agoWhy do we call it an entry level processor? Is it marketing words?
- coldtea 6y agoBecause it's available in the cheap models, including a model (the Mac Mini) that costs about as much as the AMD 5850U cpu itself. Also, I see the M1 as having 1733 (single) and 7652 (multi) GeekBench score, whereas the AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U has 1414 (single) and 8140 (multi), so the M1 is quite faster in single core than it (22%) and close in multi-core (the AMD being 6% faster). So what gives, and how does that fits with the numbers given by the grandparent?
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- SxC97 6y agoBecause so far Apple has only released entry level products with the M1. It’s pretty obvious that they will release higher end chips for higher end products later this year.
- supernovae 6y agoWhy would people be so fanatical to opt into a locked ecosystem again to care so much about the M1? The day it hits an over the counter SoC that can be used with open source software, i'll start to get excited... Until then, i'll just use AMD Ryzen and Intel or straight up open source capable arm SoC
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- coldtea 6y agoIs it? I see Geenbench gives the M1 as having 1733 (single) and 7652 (multi) GeekBench score, whereas a AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U system has 1414 (single) and 8140 (multi), so the M1 is quite faster in single core than it (22%) and slower but close in multi-core (the AMD being 6% faster). And that's with the M1 having 4 slow cores for better battery life / consumption (with 8 full speed cores it would obliterate the 5850U).
- commoner 6y agoThey're using PassMark instead of Geekbench. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-5850U/4104vs4198 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MH... Apple M1 - CPU Mark: 14,872 / Single thread: 3,630 AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U - CPU Mark: 20,659 / Single thread: 3,237 The AMD is 38.9% faster on the multi-core benchmark, and 10.8% slower on the single-core benchmark.
- jolux 6y agoThat's not really surprising, is it? The M1's eight cores are in a big.LITTLE configuration, half of them are not as powerful as the other half.
- skohan 6y agoAlso the Ryzen has hyperthreading where M1 doesn’t no?
- the_lucifer 6y agoYes, M1 doesn’t have hyper threading
- coldtea 6y agoOK, so is PassMark more accurate than Geekbench? (And, still, that's with M1 having 4 cores tied behind its back for better battery life).
- blacksmith_tb 6y agoI see you can link directly to their comparison tool[1] 1: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-5850U/4104vs4198 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MH...
- kllrnohj 6y agoTDP rating != wattage consumed. In an ideal world it would, but it has long since stopped meaning that generally. This includes the M1, which will happily exceed 15W of power consumption, and the 5850U almost certainly does as well since AMD's previous generation CPU in that class happily exceeded 15W. You'll have to wait for a proper review that does power measurements to get a sense for how they actually compare on that front.
- arnaudsm 6y agoI agree, it'd be fairer to compare wattage at peak load. Notebookcheck indicates 40W for AMD and 30W for M1, so I guess the perf/watt is closer between the 2 chips.
- unicornfinder 6y agoOne could perhaps conclude from those stats though that if it were limited to 30w (i.e. same as M1), that it would still edge out on performance. My only question is what it's idle power consumption is like.
- dmytton 6y agohttps://singhkays.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-video-power-consumption-pt-1/ https://singhkays.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-video-power-cons... has a writeup of power consumption for certain tasks on the Mac Mini M1 (not written by me).
- BugsJustFindMe 6y ago> Note the latest AMD 5850U chip is... Can you buy one today other than the HP EliteBook 845 G8, which starts over $2300? Because you can buy M1 laptops yesterday for less than half that and I can't find any other 5800U series laptops for sale.
- bosswipe 6y agoYea, M1's win is more in locking up TSMC's 5nm supply than its genius design. AMD has been struggling to get their slice of TSMC 7nm capacity.
- hajile 6y agoAMDs chip peaks at 4.4GHz vs 3.2GHz. Together they imply 30-40% better IPC. 5nm only offers 15% better performance OR 30% lower power consumption vs 7nm. In truth though, the A14 design isn’t too much faster than A13 or even A12 despite them being 7nm. Most of its advancements were from clock ramps. I wonder if the hardware layer for x86 kept a lot of resources tied up on that instead of advancing the architecture performance more.
- enragedcacti 6y agoSomeone correct me if I'm wrong, but comparing clock speeds cross-manufacturer and especially cross-architecture doesn't really make much sense, right? As far as I understand it, just because AMD and Intel chips are in the 5GHz range doesn't mean it is realistic to assume that Apple could also scale M1 up to that frequency so looking at just frequency or just IPC mean next to nothing. We pretty much have to resort to frequency x IPC i.e. benchmarks to gauge the relative difference. You're right that M1/A14 perf jump is relatively small and seems to effectively be a port of A13 to 5nm in terms of core design, so if we wanted to guess at AMD's perf at 5nm we could try to use that as a yard stick. I remember seeing someone do the benchmarks on that but I can't seem to find it now. He lowered ryzen 5000s wattage to match M1 with an offset to account for 7nm vs. 5nm and found that AMD was still behind in perf/w but by something like 20-30%. I'll keep looking to see if I can find it. Edit: Found it: https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/k3nbn3/psa_performance_doesnt_scale_linearly_with/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/k3nbn3/psa_performance... He arrives at the M1 having a 1.23x perf/w advantage in Cinebench when accounting for 7nm vs. 5nm. Without that it has a 1.34x advantage. Note that this is measuring the core directly. Ryzen's IO die is a huge power sucker so this really shouldn't be used to decide what laptop to buy or whatever, it's just a peek into how close their core architectures are to each other.
- malkia 6y agoWow - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-5850U-vs-Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz/4198vs4104 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-5850U-v...
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- NCFZ 6y agoI had a laptop with a similar amd cpu and even though it was rated for the same wattage, it was a lot more inefficient. The laptop would get warm just watching youtube videos and the fans would always kick on. In contrast to the M1 which is so efficient that Apple doesn't even put a fan in it on its lower end models, and it still barely gets warm. Also the battery life is a lot better on the m1.
- irfoo 6y agoM1 can still achieve significantly better single-core performance. I think that matters more, when it comes to how "snappy" a computer feels.
- kllrnohj 6y agoAccording to the comparison the M1 has 10% faster single-core performance. That's not nothing, but it's not really "significantly better" or something you'll notice in day-to-day usage, either. But this is also just a single test result that's going to be far from comprehensive.