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Ukraine threatens to invade DPR and LPR. Russia gathers forces to scare Ukraine and to prevent that invasion. For me it's pretty simple. War is unlikely, becaus
by vbezhenar 6y ago
Ukraine threatens to invade DPR and LPR. Russia gathers forces to scare Ukraine and to prevent that invasion. For me it's pretty simple. War is unlikely, because Ukraine won't risk it. Russia does not want to invade Ukraine either, because it's just don't make sense, at least right now, when they want to finish Nord Stream 2.
- mourner 6y ago> Ukraine threatens to invade DPR and LPR That's what Russian propaganda says, but it has no basis in reality.
- vbezhenar 6y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56678665 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56678665 It's not Russian propaganda, it's Russian officials.
- kvgr 6y agoIs there any difference?
- vbezhenar 6y agoPropaganda presumes lies. Official position is just that: official position. Kremlin believes that Ukraine is preparing to war. There are reports about Ukraine forces gathering up, so those beliefs probably are justified.
- kvgr 6y agoIs there any presumption that Russia politicians are not lying? They are the spokesperson of propaganda.
- vbezhenar 6y agoThere's not, just like there's not any presumption that BBC reports about Russian forces are not lying. So one should weight all the information and choose which one to believe. I expressed my point of view which might be wrong. There's absolutely no reason right now for Russia to invade Ukraine. They had plenty of time before. They have to finish Nord Stream 2, so they absolutely don't want to impose any additional sanctions on themselves. While US have all the incentive to break bonds between Russia and Germany and to prevent Nord Stream 2, so they commanded Zelensky to start a war, hoping that Russia will join it and Europe will be forced to impose additional sanctions. Russia could have attacked before. Russia could attack later, when Nord Stream 2 is finished and Germany is on hook and won't go anywhere. But right now it's just the wrong time.
- kvgr 6y agoDo you think Zelensky is so stupid to star the war with Russia just because he is told to(no reason to believe this, probably russian propaganda again). He would end up like arab countries when they tried to destroy Israel... stub of state left. The reason is probably not war but russia alwyas has some reasons to send troops. Invade something here. Cause fog of war there. And do some other stuff. Maybe they are trying to hide that thair vaccine is total scam. Or they are blackmailing ukraine. Putin is in trouble so he is flexin like a school bully. If he invades Ukraine he is done for the west. Also when russia says that Ukraine started. It should be taken with the same seriousness as when Hitler claimed that Poland started.
- vbezhenar 6y agoAs I already said, I don't think that Zelensky will start the war. He's just doing his thing and Russia's doing theirs thing and that's all. He could do that if NATO would support him with army, but they did not support him for obvious reasons and that's about it.
- azangru 6y ago> US ... commanded Zelensky to start a war Do you think the US has such influence over _any_ country to command it to go to war with another country? > They have to finish Nord Stream 2, so they absolutely don't want to impose any additional sanctions on themselves. One would think so, yes; but on the other hand, hasn't Russia annoyed the Western world enough over the last 6-7 years, with Syria, Skripal, or Navalny, despite its obvious need to finish Nord Stream?
- helloworld11 6y agoThere's a difference?
- dogma1138 6y agoIt doesn’t matter what Ukraine is attempting to do, and it wouldn’t be an invasion it’s their territory.
- vbezhenar 6y agoThey don't control it, so it's as theirs as Crimea.
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- throwawayay02 6y agoIt's not their territory though, not for some years now. That is the reality of it.
- kvgr 6y agoIt is their territory. Occupied by Russia. Ilegally. Period.
- throwawayay02 6y agoIt is managed by Russia so it is Russia, now. The same way Ireland one day was administered from London and now is not (excl. Northern Ireland). The rest is emotional talk.
- kvgr 6y agoThe difference is that the while world on the fact that Ireland is self governed. Almost no one agrees that Criema is Russian.
- throwawayay02 6y agoI don't think that is true. I think most people would agree the people in Crimea understand they speak Russian, have a Russian passport, can travel inside Russia, pay taxes to the Russian government, their children are schooled in Russian topics. Culturally the majority probably feel quite Russian, or as Russian as any other "republic" of the Russian "federation". There are countries with less cultural and linguistic similarity, for instance Catalonia comes to mind, yet there is also the general agreement that Catalonia is part of Spain and not fully self governed, much less governed by any other country.
- helge9210 6y ago"invade" seems to be a wrong word. "liberate" sounds better. Kicking out Russian forces, reaching the border, putting neutral peacekeeper forces and then starting gradual reintegration would be the best scenario for Ukraine.
- coold 6y agoTheir "invaders", our "liberators"