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>Can we please stop having US morality controlling Internet? Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by "US mor

by tw04 6y ago

>Can we please stop having US morality controlling Internet? Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by "US morality". Given the US has one of the largest porn industries on the planet, I think it's a bit of a leap to make that claim without some proof. >What about Discord blocking servers full of war scenes and car chasing with shootings? What about it? They're a private company who may choose to not be associated with that content. If you tried to post raw war footage on HN it would be immediately removed and you'd likely face a ban if you kept doing it repeatedly. Is that "US morality" or just a choice about what content they want to host/link to?

goatinaboat 6y ago
Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by the US. Not "the US" but the US-based Apple Store who have a track record for banning chat apps that they disagree with.
- qomob 6y ago
  Ireland based Apple store.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    that's just legal fiction to enable tax-free 'innovation'
askmike 6y ago
The point was that it looks very clear to be a restriction coming from Apple (which is why it's about restrictions specifically on the iOS platform and nowhere else). Apple is forcing these rules onto other apps like Discord.
beckman466 6y ago
> Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by "US morality". Do you live in the US? I’d say it’s generally pretty well known that American culture glorifies violence, yet are very prude and puritanical about sex.
- tw04 6y ago
  So you don't have a citation to this being driven by "US morality"? I do live in the US. I would not say that's pretty well known, and turning on the TV I find sex pretty much everywhere. Outright nudity is banned, but that's about it. The only place people are "puritanical" about sex is the bible belt, which is becoming a smaller and smaller portion of the US population. https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/29/church-membership-fallen-below-majority/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/29/church-me...
  - nottorp 6y ago
    If you've never left the US, I'm afraid you're not qualified to comment on that.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - Sharlin 6y ago
    https://dictionary.apa.org/cultural-blindness https://dictionary.apa.org/cultural-blindness
  - dragontamer 6y ago
    See Patreon for example. Or see the sex games that get banned from Steam, vs the ones that stay. NSFW is sorta allowed, but there's no real consistent rubric. Once you start actually organizing or tagging kinks, pretty much everything outside of vanilla pisses someone off. It seems like not really advertising kinks is the way to go for now. And that 'someone' is usually the payment processor (paypal, mastercard, etc. etc.). So I recognize it's not Patreon fault per se (which is probably why it's so inconsistent). Some of the most sex-negative people in my social circle are atheists btw. Sex negativity is shared on both the left and right. And strangely enough, some religious people I know are strangely sex positive. (See the myriad of gentlemen's clubs in the south). It's not so cut and dry as just blaming religious groups on this one. Yeah, Church and sexuality don't really match up but its not like everyone believes 100% what the various churches preach.
  - dandellion 6y ago
yellowapple 6y ago
> Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by "US morality". Right, 'cause Apple (presumably; otherwise this restriction would apply to Android and desktop as well) imposes such rules for gits and shiggles. Those of us living in the United States and subjected to the inconsistently-applied puritanical moral code that permeates throughout it witness and experience said permeation daily. You want a citation? The article's a citation; it's literally an American company imposing this restriction. Tumblr banning "pornographic" content entirely is a citation. Google making it literally impossible to disable SafeSearch is a citation. The continued existence of rules around profanity on TV and radio is a citation. > What about it? They're a private company who may choose to not be associated with that content. I think the point of that remark is that Discord does currently allow "servers full of war scenes and car chasing with shootings", and hardly anyone bats an eye at this, yet the moment anyone shows so much as a boob it's suddenly an outrage.
- tw04 6y ago
  >Those of us living in the United States and subjected to the inconsistently-applied puritanical moral code that permeates throughout it witness and experience said permeation daily. So it's puritanical code. The same code that believes homosexuality is a sin. And you think the gay CEO of Apple is basing his decisions on that code. But there's no record of him saying or doing so and it logically makes absolutely no sense. >I think the point of that remark is that Discord does currently allow "servers full of war scenes and car chasing with shootings", and hardly anyone bats an eye at this, yet the moment anyone shows so much as a boob it's suddenly an outrage. And those servers are 18+... and banned from the iOS platform, and are part of this announcement. So I still am not following the logic.
- aulin 6y ago
  add reddit recently removing "sexually explicit content" (but not violence and gore) from /r/all to your list of citations (https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lhnvok/removing_sexually_explicit_content_from_rall/ https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lhnvok/removing_...)
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago

by tw04 6y ago

goatinaboat 6y ago

Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by the US. Not "the US" but the US-based Apple Store who have a track record for banning chat apps that they disagree with.

qomob 6y ago
Ireland based Apple store.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  that's just legal fiction to enable tax-free 'innovation'

askmike 6y ago

The point was that it looks very clear to be a restriction coming from Apple (which is why it's about restrictions specifically on the iOS platform and nowhere else). Apple is forcing these rules onto other apps like Discord.

beckman466 6y ago

> Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by "US morality". Do you live in the US? I’d say it’s generally pretty well known that American culture glorifies violence, yet are very prude and puritanical about sex.

tw04 6y ago
So you don't have a citation to this being driven by "US morality"? I do live in the US. I would not say that's pretty well known, and turning on the TV I find sex pretty much everywhere. Outright nudity is banned, but that's about it. The only place people are "puritanical" about sex is the bible belt, which is becoming a smaller and smaller portion of the US population. https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/29/church-membership-fallen-below-majority/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/29/church-me...
- nottorp 6y ago
  If you've never left the US, I'm afraid you're not qualified to comment on that.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- Sharlin 6y ago
  https://dictionary.apa.org/cultural-blindness https://dictionary.apa.org/cultural-blindness
- dragontamer 6y ago
  See Patreon for example. Or see the sex games that get banned from Steam, vs the ones that stay. NSFW is sorta allowed, but there's no real consistent rubric. Once you start actually organizing or tagging kinks, pretty much everything outside of vanilla pisses someone off. It seems like not really advertising kinks is the way to go for now. And that 'someone' is usually the payment processor (paypal, mastercard, etc. etc.). So I recognize it's not Patreon fault per se (which is probably why it's so inconsistent). Some of the most sex-negative people in my social circle are atheists btw. Sex negativity is shared on both the left and right. And strangely enough, some religious people I know are strangely sex positive. (See the myriad of gentlemen's clubs in the south). It's not so cut and dry as just blaming religious groups on this one. Yeah, Church and sexuality don't really match up but its not like everyone believes 100% what the various churches preach.
- dandellion 6y ago

yellowapple 6y ago

> Citation? I don't see anything in the announcement that indicates this is being driven by "US morality". Right, 'cause Apple (presumably; otherwise this restriction would apply to Android and desktop as well) imposes such rules for gits and shiggles. Those of us living in the United States and subjected to the inconsistently-applied puritanical moral code that permeates throughout it witness and experience said permeation daily. You want a citation? The article's a citation; it's literally an American company imposing this restriction. Tumblr banning "pornographic" content entirely is a citation. Google making it literally impossible to disable SafeSearch is a citation. The continued existence of rules around profanity on TV and radio is a citation. > What about it? They're a private company who may choose to not be associated with that content. I think the point of that remark is that Discord does currently allow "servers full of war scenes and car chasing with shootings", and hardly anyone bats an eye at this, yet the moment anyone shows so much as a boob it's suddenly an outrage.

tw04 6y ago
>Those of us living in the United States and subjected to the inconsistently-applied puritanical moral code that permeates throughout it witness and experience said permeation daily. So it's puritanical code. The same code that believes homosexuality is a sin. And you think the gay CEO of Apple is basing his decisions on that code. But there's no record of him saying or doing so and it logically makes absolutely no sense. >I think the point of that remark is that Discord does currently allow "servers full of war scenes and car chasing with shootings", and hardly anyone bats an eye at this, yet the moment anyone shows so much as a boob it's suddenly an outrage. And those servers are 18+... and banned from the iOS platform, and are part of this announcement. So I still am not following the logic.
aulin 6y ago
add reddit recently removing "sexually explicit content" (but not violence and gore) from /r/all to your list of citations (https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lhnvok/removing_sexually_explicit_content_from_rall/ https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/lhnvok/removing_...)
ClumsyPilot 6y ago